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**Reaper16** · 07-26-2010, 12:51 AM

Season 4 premiered tonight. I would have bumped the season three thread but I titled it "season 3," which no longer seems appropriate.

Who saw it? It was a stupendous hour of television. All sorts of shit has happened in the eleven months that have passed (in-story) between the formation of Sterling Cooper Draper Price and the beginning of season 4. The premeir was stepped in the juices of the sexual revolution. It also had a lot to say about the increasing role of the media in the success or failure of things. It was great to see Don fail a little bit, and it was exciting to consider the future implications at the end of Don crafting a public/media persona that is completely unlike his actual personality.

**Baby Lee** · 05-06-2015, 04:56 PM

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I just think that was a quirk of the show in that it relied heavily on the same tropes of Frasier and Niles being up-their-own-ass intellectuals whose nature conflicted with Martin / Daphne / Ros' grounded and sensible personalities such that every episode had a same-y feel to it but it didn't detract from the quality.

I remember;

something about Fraiser catching a trashcan on fire
something about Niles ruining a dinner
the episodes starting off with witty radio banter
and, Bulldog being a staunch gay activist IRL.

that's about it.

Red Brooklyn · 05-06-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I remember;

something about Fraiser catching a trashcan on fire
something about Niles ruining a dinner
the episodes starting off with witty radio banter
and, Bulldog being a staunch gay activist IRL.

that's about it.

And something about scrambled eggs?

**Baby Lee** · 05-06-2015, 05:00 PM

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And something about scrambled eggs?

Well of course I remember tidbits, but plotwise it's a big black hole.

Oh! I remember Lillith coming to visit a couple different times, making for classic episodes.

Speaking of Lillith, since we're discussing Frasier in the Mad Men thread. Johnny Mathis, meet Freddy Crane.

Discuss Thrower · 05-06-2015, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I remember;

something about Fraiser catching a trashcan on fire
something about Niles ruining a dinner
the episodes starting off with witty radio banter
and, Bulldog being a staunch gay activist IRL.

that's about it.

The whole Daphne being engaged to that ... one guy.. which caused Niles some grief.

Constant jokes about Maris.

Parental humor concerning Frasier's relationship with Freddy.

Lilith's deadpan snark but also looking hot at some point and tempting Frasier (even though they didn't go through with anything.)

The episode where Frasier's past loves came to him as apparitions.

The episode where Frasier and Niles were trying to cover up what looked like a murder.(?)

A few bottle episodes concern Martin and his time on the police force / his relationship with his blue collar buddies.

I think Frasier got rid of / Martin's ugly ass recliner got torched and Frasier managed to find a duplicate -complete with the same wear-in patterns / damage.

New Years Eve in the Winnebago.

Red Brooklyn · 05-06-2015, 05:06 PM

I remember, much like Don Draper, Fraiser had a baller balcony w/ a view.

Red Brooklyn · 05-06-2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Well of course I remember tidbits, but plotwise it's a big black hole.

Oh! I remember Lillith coming to visit a couple different times, making for classic episodes.

Speaking of Lillith, since we're discussing Frasier in the Mad Men thread. Johnny Mathis, meet Freddy Crane.

wwhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

Pitt Gorilla · 05-06-2015, 08:55 PM

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I'm sorry but I could not disagree more.

The very first, and I mean THE VERY FIRST thing that ANY Film/TV screenwriter should create/present is the beginning and ending for each every character, especially the main characters.

Now, that said, I had a highly successful TV and film screenwriter/producer over all day Saturday for a hang and he said, and I quote "I've often found that the TV or film will 'speak to me'. The show knows where to go, especially after characters have been established. But that doesn't mean that I should betray the original fate for characters because it's veered off course a bit".

Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse finally revealed publicly that they had no idea where they were going with LOST. I think David Chase just gave the fans and HBO a big giant "**** You" with the ending of The Sopranos.

Obviously, Chuck Lorre wouldn't have killed Charlie Sheen had their relationship not become so incredibly volatile. And while Chuck is known to be the biggest asshole dickhead in town, no one cares because he's the most successful Show Runner/Producer/Writer in TV history and can sit down and write an amazing Act in 2 hours, where it takes a room of 10 writers a week to write three acts.

The bottom line is that the viewers deserve a satisfying ending.

Yeah, Boyd should have died in season 1.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-06-2015, 08:57 PM

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HIMYM's ending while infuriating, at least made sense from the point that Bays and Thomas alluded to it for the entirety of the show through allusions to Bertold Brecht and "Love in the Time of Cholera." They just didn't show their hand until the episode where Ted imagines the conversation between himself, himself from the future, Barney and Barney from the future.

Really, what ****ed up HIMYM was the fact that it shouldn't have gone beyond the seventh season.

the laugh track made it unwatchable, IMO.

Discuss Thrower · 05-06-2015, 09:29 PM

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the laugh track made it unwatchable, IMO.

I'm conditioned enough that most laugh tracks don't bother me.. Just like getting used to seeing the network watermark in a corner of the screen.

Problem is they used the SAME laugh track for all 200+ episodes and it has someone have the most annoying ****ing laugh in the world on it.

**Baby Lee** · 05-06-2015, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

the laugh track made it unwatchable, IMO.

I've never been a laugh track fan, but the silences in the Yahoo season of Community is starting to freak me out. Don't know if they need a laugh track or just better scoring and ambient noise.

Pay attention to it, or not. Once it's noticed, cannot be unnoticed.

**BigRedChief** · 05-06-2015, 09:49 PM

I can't remember a finale I was happy with besides Mash.

I thought Breaking Bad was better than Seinfeld which was better than Lost.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-06-2015, 10:47 PM

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I can't remember a finale I was happy with besides Mash.

Newhart is still the greatest of all time, IMO and I'm not sure there will ever be an equal finale.

Discuss Thrower · 05-06-2015, 10:48 PM

But seriously tho. Utopos.

**BigRedChief** · 05-06-2015, 11:02 PM

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Newhart is still the greatest of all time, IMO and I'm not sure there will ever be an equal finale.

Forgot about that.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-06-2015, 11:04 PM

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Forgot about that.

Of course, you'd have to be of a certain vintage to understand its brilliance.

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