Chiefs Disappointed in McCluster - Page 12

Hammock Parties · 10-10-2010, 08:41 PM

Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever.

He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe.

That ****ing sucks.

This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target?

I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible.

McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy.

Don't buy any of his ****ing t-shirts.

keg in kc · 10-11-2010, 04:42 AM

This might be a valid point to make if any wide receiver had done anything this season. Bowe is on pace to finish the year with 36 catches. Think about that for a second. 36. That's the guy who's supposed to be your number 1. Chambers only has 7 catches. Moeaki's the only player even close to on target for what he should have at his position.

All of which means one of three things: the quarterback is the issue, the #1/#2 receivers are the issue, or "all of the above". Whatever the answer, whether it's the QB or the starting receivers, it's going to kill the numbers for your #3. Who happens to himself be a rookie who's getting most of his touches out of the backfield, leading one to again wonder about the QB, since nobody except backs or tight ends are catching passes.

Reerun_KC · 10-11-2010, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

This might be a valid point to make if any wide receiver had done anything this season. Bowe is on pace to finish the year with 36 catches. Think about that for a second. 36. That's the guy who's supposed to be your number 1. Chambers only has 7 catches. Moeaki's the only player even close to on target for what he should have at his position.

All of which means one of three things: the quarterback is the issue, the #1/#2 receivers are the issue, or "all of the above". Whatever the answer, whether it's the QB or the starting receivers, it's going to kill the numbers for your #3. Who happens to himself be a rookie who's getting most of his touches out of the backfield, leading one to again wonder about the QB, since nobody except backs or tight ends are catching passes.

Watching the difference between the Colts Wr's and the Chiefs WR's was night and day...

I couldnt believe how quick, sharp and fast they were. They were in and out of their cuts 10 times faster than ours wr's. I promise you if we had Manning, Bowe and Chambers would have 2 or 3 new assholes each game. Manning would destroy their souls and eat their children... He wouldnt stand for the lazy crap they pull running routes...

Bowe made Randy Moss look like he cared yesterday....

keg in kc · 10-11-2010, 05:48 AM

That's hard to fathom on a team led by a temperamental former WR coach.

Reerun_KC · 10-11-2010, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's hard to fathom on a team led by a temperamental former WR coach.

I agree.. We were stunned to say the least. There were several times that we sit there and

wondering where the Hell is our shit QB going to go with the ball... They were cheating a safety over on Bowe all afternoon. Chambers was shutdown 1 on 1.

I figured as slow as this defense was, we would take more shots on screens and drag routes, like we did in the SF game...

There were alot of deeper patterns down the field yesterday... 15-30 yards downfield. I did think that Cassel had a very few opportunies yesterday, but with the coverage, there would of been alot of INTS...

Very disappointed in the game plan, leaving 10-13 points on the field of play.... Much different game if you dont onside kick, go for it on 4th and god forbid have Bowe ****ing catch a very catchable TD pass for a #1 WR in the NFL.

Simply Red · 10-11-2010, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

He looked insanely slow in the return game today.

this, and i'm not sure why.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-11-2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's hard to fathom on a team led by a temperamental former WR coach.

I don't think the problem is Bowe or Chambers effort. Aside from Bowe's lack of concentration, the issue isn't their effort.

The issue is that Chambers and Bowe are both the same guy. They are both big physical receivers that will go up for a contested ball.... which is good since the reality is that they are slower guys that don't have 'quickness' in and out of breaks. So, they don't get 'wide open'.

A guy like that is great to have as a second or third WR. They are both hard to bring down once they get the ball in their hands.

But, to have them be the #1 option just doesn't cut it in the passing game.

They are great in the run game. Both are physical downfield blockers. And, the reality is that you can't fix everything in one, or even two offseasons. The Chiefs are playing to their strengths as much as possible.

But, the Chiefs MUST....yes, MUST get some guys that are a little quicker.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-11-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Cassel stares down one WR, and 95% of the time its not one thats more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The Colts played very disciplined ball yesterday. Cassel tried looking off the WR's several times. I noticed it more in this game than in any other. The secondary just didn't bite.

I was suprised given the youth..... but, I am sure they never felt 'uncomfortable'.... or like they could lose the game. They never felt they 'had' to make a play.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-11-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

This might be a valid point to make if any wide receiver had done anything this season. Bowe is on pace to finish the year with 36 catches. Think about that for a second. 36. That's the guy who's supposed to be your number 1. Chambers only has 7 catches. Moeaki's the only player even close to on target for what he should have at his position.

All of which means one of three things: the quarterback is the issue, the #1/#2 receivers are the issue, or "all of the above". Whatever the answer, whether it's the QB or the starting receivers, it's going to kill the numbers for your #3. Who happens to himself be a rookie who's getting most of his touches out of the backfield, leading one to again wonder about the QB, since nobody except backs or tight ends are catching passes.

The Chiefs are primarily a running team and will spread the ball around. Bowe doesn't do anything to help his chances of getting catches when he drops sure TD's and the play following it.

keg in kc · 10-11-2010, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

The Chiefs are primarily a running team and will spread the ball around. Bowe doesn't do anything to help his chances of getting catches when he drops sure TD's and the play following it.

Circular logic which takes us right back to the question of why the chiefs are a running team, because they want to be or because they have to be, because of the QBs and receivers.

**MahiMike** · 10-11-2010, 07:20 AM

Could it be he's too short to throw to down field? It's difficult to get the correct angle on the man behind the coverage unless he's got 5 yards behind him or he's tall enough to reach up and out jump the defender. Short guys are good for the quick slants.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-11-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Circular logic which takes us right back to the question of why the chiefs are a running team, because they want to be or because they have to be, because of the QBs and receivers.

I think it is because the WR's are better built to block than to catch...

Look at the game book.

Bowe was targeted 8 times. He came up with four catches...two easy drops.

Look at Moeaki. He was targeted 4 times, and had four catches.

Look at Chambers, targeted 3 times, had two catches, and one drop that was very close to a catch.

Bowe gets more chances than anyone on the offense and does the least with them.

bobbything · 10-11-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

He has literally shown NOTHING of significance. He just catches shit out of the backfield.

I'll give him some leeway having only played in 4 games thus far. The only other rookie that's shown to be worth a damn this year is Moeaki.

Though, he made a nice move and catch on one of Indy's LB's yesterday, and made one other tough catch that was high (shocking, I know). It looks like the coaching staff is content with bringing him out of the backfield as a safety valve most of the time though.

It doesn't look like to me he's getting good matchups against linebackers. I haven't been watching him too intently though, so I don't know if he's just not getting open, if it's a coaching thing, or if Cassel just sucks and can't get him the ball. It's probably a combination of everything.

I don't see, though, how anyone could expect him to be a great receiver at his size. Even at the slot. Seems to me like he'd be much more productive on reverses, screens, and designed plays out of the backfield against slower linebackers. But, it looks like the coaching staff disagrees.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-11-2010, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes but once healthy, they stayed with Brady.

I just can't imagine Haley, Weis, Crennel and Pioli saying "Ah well, we're paying him, might as well play him, even though we'll likely lose".

I just cannot see that scenario playing itself out.

This is extremely frustrating. They have all watched Brady play. They know what good QB play looks like. How long will they let this go on?

Chiefnj2 · 10-11-2010, 08:16 AM

Rookie receivers usually get off to a slow start. It's not like the kid can focus on just being a slot receiver. He's a returner, wildcat, RB, and receiver. That's a lot for a young player to digest.

Messier · 10-11-2010, 08:35 AM

I think someone mentioned awhile back that McCluster made a nice sideline grab, dragging his feet, on the play that was called back for holding. GoChiefs wanted a WR play, that qualifies.

10-10-2010, 08:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4760478	Disappointed in McCluster Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever. He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe. That **ing sucks. This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target? I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible. McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy. Don't buy any of his **ing t-shirts.
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10-11-2010, 04:42 AM	#166
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	This might be a valid point to make if any wide receiver had done anything this season. Bowe is on pace to finish the year with 36 catches. Think about that for a second. 36. That's the guy who's supposed to be your number 1. Chambers only has 7 catches. Moeaki's the only player even close to on target for what he should have at his position. All of which means one of three things: the quarterback is the issue, the #1/#2 receivers are the issue, or "all of the above". Whatever the answer, whether it's the QB or the starting receivers, it's going to kill the numbers for your #3. Who happens to himself be a rookie who's getting most of his touches out of the backfield, leading one to again wonder about the QB, since nobody except backs or tight ends are catching passes.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	That's hard to fathom on a team led by a temperamental former WR coach.
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10-11-2010, 07:20 AM	#175
MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	Could it be he's too short to throw to down field? It's difficult to get the correct angle on the man behind the coverage unless he's got 5 yards behind him or he's tall enough to reach up and out jump the defender. Short guys are good for the quick slants. __________________ 99.9%
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10-11-2010, 08:16 AM	#179
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7903688	Rookie receivers usually get off to a slow start. It's not like the kid can focus on just being a slot receiver. He's a returner, wildcat, RB, and receiver. That's a lot for a young player to digest. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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10-11-2010, 08:35 AM	#180
Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	I think someone mentioned awhile back that McCluster made a nice sideline grab, dragging his feet, on the play that was called back for holding. GoChiefs wanted a WR play, that qualifies.
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