Chiefs What do all the great Quarterbacks have in common? - Page 2

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 07:43 PM

Just curious.

I've been thinking this to myself lately and could think of one thing that comes to mind, excellent field vision. If I am missing anything, please care to add.

I've watched the likes of Brady, Montana, and Marino who were very productive and still managed to get by without superstar receivers. How? It had to be good field vision that enabled them to progress through their reads and make plays.

Good field vision goes a long long way imo. Without, I don't think there is much a quarterback can do? Which kinda worries me a bit about Cassel. I've been watching this last preseason game against the Ravens and Im still seeing bad reads from him. Im still seeing how his eyes just lock onto one receiver without managing to keep it on the entire field. I don't mean to turn this into a Cassel debate or anything, but he had this very issue last year and has me wondering, is this the one particular attribute that will prevent him from being great?

I think good field vision is a skill but not one that can be taught. You either have that or you don't. Much like speed. Can't teach speed to an athlete either. I can understand now when some people say his ceiling is limited.

DTLB58 · 08-20-2011, 07:55 PM

They wear the #12 or 16 or...

stevieray · 08-20-2011, 07:55 PM

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I think it's safe to assume that everyone's drinking tonight.

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RedThat · 08-20-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

...does a QB always have to move his head to indicate he's gone through his reads?...sometimes, qbs lock on to a receiver as a means for misdirection...

True. How often does that happen though?

milkman · 08-20-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

...does a QB always have to move his head to indicate he's gone through his reads?...sometimes, qbs lock on to a receiver as a means for misdirection...

Well, when a QB locks onto one receiver, and he throws to that receiver, you can be pretty sure that is not a case of misdirection.

-King- · 08-20-2011, 07:56 PM

I've also heard that the majority of them had knee caps. Still trying to verify that.

Ebolapox · 08-20-2011, 07:59 PM

an anus. all great QBs had anii.

Ebolapox · 08-20-2011, 08:00 PM

rather, anuses.

stevieray · 08-20-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

True. How often does that happen though?

I'm just saying that just because a QB isn't moving his head, doesn't mean he can't see his reads.

stevieray · 08-20-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Well, when a QB locks onto one receiver, and he throws to that receiver, you can be pretty sure that is not a case of misdirection.

...Im not debating that sceanrio.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

I'm just saying that just because a QB isn't moving his head, doesn't mean he can't see his reads.

If a QB doesn't move his head, there is no way he can see the entire field.

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well in his defense, most of the throws he made last night were on short drops which don't usually have many reads. It's usually three steps and the ball is out if your option is slightly open.

On the QB thing, I think the biggest thing is comfortablity in the pocket. How many times have you seen Manning or Brady slide slightly one way or the other and avoid the hit to complete a pass. So yeah that plays into vision but also just being comfortable back there.

Some plays Cassel looks comfortable and some he gets rushed. I do feel that his comfortable plays are coming more often which is hopefully a good sign.

Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

Are you and Tribal Warfare related?

O.city · 08-20-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

I just don't think Cassel has good pocket presence at all. Alot of times he has more time than he thinks he does.

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Are you and Tribal Warfare related?

hey Im just giving my 2 cents on what I see.

stevieray · 08-20-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

If a QB doesn't move his head, there is no way he can see the entire field.

I'm not saying a QB can't move his head.....and every pass play isn't a crapshoot to see who gets open after the snap.

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