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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:14 PM   #676
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Ironic eh?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:14 PM   #677
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Alex will not be a top 5 QB, but you can win with him and the offense CAN get better with him. Instead it degenerates into bitching about Alex Smith. It's redundant.
So you believe in all sincerity that Alex Smith can win a team a SB?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:15 PM   #678
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I was high on Geno until the end of the college season when he was not panning out well.

The K-State game sealed it for me.
I have no problem with that.


The K-State game, especially re-watching it, is not fun.
Unless you're Nigel Malone (is that guy on a PS somewhere?).
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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:15 PM   #679
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I don't even care if we mostly dink and dunk it, but they gotta make it work, which has been pretty hit and miss with a lot of 3 and outs so far. The threat of the deep ball backs the defense up so the short stuff can actually work.

It's not JUST Alex Smith, there are other problems that have been discussed, but he doesn't just get a free pass. Peyton Manning hasn't turned the ball over this year, either. Does anybody think we can beat them going 3 and out for an entire quarter of play?

I get sick of the dink and dunk, too. But I'll happily take it if they get it running consistently.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:16 PM   #680
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Did Joe Flacco spread the defense by throwing deep?
Moving the goalposts, I see.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:16 PM   #681
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So you believe in all sincerity that Alex Smith can win a team a SB?
I do.
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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:17 PM   #682
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Do people forget that Marcellus and Dave were both pretty high on Geno before the selections were actually made?

I haven't perused through this thread's entirety but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Marcellus is a textbook homer. There are no bad Chiefs. Had we drafted Smith and our first 3 games he played identical to what he has done, marcellus would defend it to his grave.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:17 PM   #683
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Meh you were right up there.
That's the Marcellus we all know and love.

Make an ignorant comment.

Be proven wrong.

Move the goalposts.


Keg's right, you have an underlying personal issue with a handful of us. You argue posters, not posts.

I would have taken 10 seconds to actually check to see if the bullshit you were spewing was factual - but you didn't care, hoping no one would call you on it.

Good work.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:18 PM   #684
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but seriously, Geno has clowned the True Fans already...

and he is so much better than Fisher - while taking on 100x the responsibilities as QB - that is embarrassing...like 'holy shit' embarrassing

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The real irony is that Andy Reid talked during the summer about how he wants Alex Smith to be more aggressive. I think we all saw that. Or heard that. Or read it. Whatever.

It's not like we're asking for something crazy here.
Exactly.

All this, "who expects AS to be a different QB than he was in SF" talk is hilarious, considering it's EXACTLY what our HC spent all summer saying.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:20 PM   #686
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Yeah, you're right. The Chiefs would be much better off if Smith played carelessly and had 3 or 4 INT's right now.

1-2 sounds so much better than 3-0.

Yummy.
You guys make it seem like we would have lost games by throwing picks on deep passes instead of punting because we don't try to.

Read the op. We have the best starting field position of any team and aren't doing a lot with it. I bet we have the most punts in opponents territory of anyone.

FFS we have a really good defense that is built to protect a mistake or 4 without having to pay too severly for them.
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So you believe in all sincerity that Alex Smith can win a team a SB?
You're either going to get crickets, or a boldfaced lie.
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but seriously, Geno has clowned the True Fans already...

and he is so much better than Fisher - while taking on 100x the responsibilities as QB - that is embarrassing...like 'holy shit' embarrassing
There's a small part of me that gets irritated when Geno and/or Sheldon make big plays.

I suppose it'd be like that for Mingo as well but....
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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.
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So you believe in all sincerity that Alex Smith can win a team a SB?
I believe that Alex Smith was a fumbled kick return away from going to one in 2011.

And I don't believe Joe Flacco is an appreciably better QB than Alex Smith.

Do I think he will likely win a SB? No. Not at all. But I definitely think the last 2 post-seasons have given us a couple of data points that suggest that yes, Alex Smith absolutely can win a team a SB.
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