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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The ordeal was weird as hell, but it really did a lot to make Miz look stronger. He won the Tag Team titles on his own and crushed Cena being able keep it.

Was actually a good way to cap a rather what the **** Raw.

I thought it was stupid. Might as well get rid of the tag titles at this point, if they mean so little.

(Yes, I know they've done that before. Over and over.)

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They obviously haven't given two shits or a **** about the tag division in forever.

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The whole segment was pointless. They should've ended the show with HHH and Undertaker, which for as little as I want(ed) to see those guys, was pretty well done. The two of them staring at each other would have been a strong ending to what I thought was otherwise a pretty decent show. Well, okay, it was a decent show with reeruned bookends (if Cena never 'raps' again it's too soon).

But they have to have this convoluted Vince Russo shit where they win the tag titles and then lose them right back to a weak stable from the other show that nobody watches. It didn't further the story in any way, it didn't make anybody want to see wrestlmania an iota more than they did 10 minutes earlier. It meant absolutely nothing. Meaningless. Pointless.

Somebody on another board was joking, maybe on friday they'll have Corre defend against Edge and Del Rio, and then next week Undertaker and HHH.

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I found the HHH/Undertaker segment pretty underwhelming. Would of been a lot better if they had the Undertaker at least spend a few minutes propping up his Wrestlemania streak and talk about ending the career of HBK. Instead of came across as rushed so they could have more time for a boring divas match.

The main event did a lot for the Miz. He got another clean pin when a lack of those has hurt his title run and got a preview of what reaction he'd get as a face. The only part of it that was sour was further burying the tag titles. But alas, they have not given a shit about their tag division in forever. A lot of the champions over the last few years have been slapped together teams.

TNA can make me laugh so hard I usually end up in tear by the end of hour two, but they at least can build some actual decent tag teams.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I found the HHH/Undertaker segment pretty underwhelming. Would of been a lot better if they had the Undertaker at least spend a few minutes propping up his Wrestlemania streak and talk about ending the career of HBK. Instead of came across as rushed so they could have more time for a boring divas match.

The main event did a lot for the Miz. He got another clean pin when a lack of those has hurt his title run and got a preview of what reaction he'd get as a face. The only part of it that was sour was further burying the tag titles. But alas, they have not given a shit about their tag division in forever. A lot of the champions over the last few years have been slapped together teams.

TNA can make me laugh so hard I usually end up in tear by the end of hour two, but they at least can build some actual decent tag teams.

Yeah, AND they let the guys wrestle elsewhere making for epic tag matches on the indy scene! MCMG, Beer Money and the Young Bucks deserve a run in the WWE sometime, not sure if it'd work but I think it'd definitely bring the life back to the WWE tag division.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I found the HHH/Undertaker segment pretty underwhelming. Would of been a lot better if they had the Undertaker at least spend a few minutes propping up his Wrestlemania streak and talk about ending the career of HBK.

They've got weeks left to talk. And hell, everybody knows the story anyway. I liked seeing something different. I can't remember seeing a setup like that before. And frankly I'd be fine if I never had to heard either of them on the mic again.

What I'm curious to see is how they're going to manage to make the third retirement match in as many years somehow interesting, not to mention a retirement versus streak match for a second consecutive year.

The main event did a lot for the Miz. He got another clean pin when a lack of those has hurt his title run and got a preview of what reaction he'd get as a face.

We're just going to disagree on that. I don't think it really did anything for him, the way it ended. He's slinking up the ramp after attacking Cena from behind. I thought it made him look weak again.

If they'd have stopped with the win and had the rematch on smackdown maybe. But people will remember the end, not what happened a couple minutes before. They might not even remember there was a title change after a couple of weeks, although my guess is they'll oversell it on commentary.

I haven't watched TNA in literally years. I think the January 4th show last year was the first and last TNA show I'd seen since 2006 or 2007.

Just because it wasn't lame enough the first time, here's the 'professor of thuganomics' himself. I know some people eat this shit up, but I hated the rapping Cena character years ago even more than I hate the superCena character now.

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Originally Posted by WebGem

Yeah I saw that. it sucks he won't be at Mania.

Has anyone read his new book yet?

Only just finished the second one. Didn't think it was as good as the first but still a good read. That being said you will probably enjoy it more if you like fozzy as there is a fair bit dedicated to their albums/tours.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If they'd have stopped with the win and had the rematch on smackdown maybe. But people will remember the end, not what happened a couple minutes before. They might not even remember there was a title change after a couple of weeks, although my guess is they'll oversell it on commentary.

We'll disagree here too, as I'm glad they didn't drag this shit out for weeks. Also, am I the only one noticing that it seems the Corre seems to have a different sounding theme every week? I thought the original one was fine.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

We'll disagree here too, as I'm glad they didn't drag this shit out for weeks. Also, am I the only one noticing that it seems the Corre seems to have a different sounding theme every week? I thought the original one was fine.

I'm not saying it should have been dragged out. I'm saying the whole thing shouldn't have happened at all....


You may be the only one watching smackdown, so you may also be the only one noticing anything at all relating to the Corre.

They haven't started the wonderful Corre versus Nexus build yet. Hopefully they've dropped that. I don't need to see those guys in the ring.

I'm still wondering after tonight if they're going to have Sheamus and Bryan feuding. That can't possibly be good for Bryan, unless they're really burying Sheamus 10 feet under.

Talk about start and stop pushes. He looked like a monster 6 months ago, like they'd finally done it right with a young guy. Talking about a HHH match at mania. And now he's losing to Mark Henry.

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It seems they are moving away from Nexus vs. Corre, which is fine with me. The whole Nexus type of stable is getting played out.

As long as the match isn't a total squash by Shaemus, I could see Shaemus vs. Daniel Bryan being actually really good.

Shaemus actually had a quality run the 2nd time around, and I'd prefer them to not make him stale in the main event quickly like they've done with other talent (See: Randall Orton, Cenar). It is baffling that talent like Morrison and Christian will never see the Main Event though, while Jerry Lawler Main Events a PPV.

The only thing that bothered me this Raw was the Cole/King confrontation. I'm sure Jerry ok'd this, but Coles comments about his mother was still awfully cringe worthy.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It seems they are moving away from Nexus vs. Corre, which is fine with me. The whole Nexus type of stable is getting played out.

As long as the match isn't a total squash by Shaemus, I could see Shaemus vs. Daniel Bryan being actually really good.

Shaemus actually had a quality run the 2nd time around, and I'd prefer them to not make him stale in the main event quickly like they've done with other talent (See: Randall Orton, Cenar). It is baffling that talent like Morrison and Christian will never see the Main Event though, while Jerry Lawler Main Events a PPV.

The more I see of Morrison the more I'm convinced he's not a main eventer. Punk worked circles around him tonight and it was a two minute match. He doesn't have very convincing offense short of the flying moveset (i.e. anything traditional that he does looks horrible, whether it's simple punches, or clotheslines), he doesn't have good facials and he can't talk. He does get reactions from doing stuff like shining wizards, the pele kick and starship pain, but the truth is that virtually anybody can get over with an audience to a degree if they can do anything high flying.

(And you could copy and paste Kofi Kingston's name in for Morrison's and get my opinion on him....)

I'd much rather see Evan Borne in Morrison's spot, although like Bryan he's too small, so he'll never get a shot. But the guy can straight-up work.

But I would rather see Morrison instead of some musclehead like the new Nexus lacky.

As far as Bryan and Sheamus goes, I completely agree. It could be great if they don't have Sheamus kill him. But I'm admittedly biased: I think Bryan and anybody has the potential to be great, because he's that good...

I think Punk and Orton has potential, but it's all because of Punk. I don't like Orton. I don't like his matches (especially as a babyface who still stalls and does a heel moveset) and I don't like his character. But Punk is to me the best heel the company has until Jericho comes back, and by a wide margin.

What I really wish is that Punk hadn't hurt his hip and we'd have gotten the Punk and Bryan program that they teased for a single week. I think those two would have put everybody else in the company right now to shame.

I do expect Taker and HHH to be a quality program, because as much as I don't like the two of them, I do recognize that they know how to work a major event, and I expect that in the end it'll be the best match on the card.


You know what, I forgot about it, but I think we're going to have the 'mystery GM' resolved, too, after the GM talking about dealing with the Rock.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That would legitimately win some battles on GrindTime.

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Thinking about the mystery GM bit, I have not seen Foley on ipmact in forever. It really wouldn't surprise me if he ended up being the one revealed.

As for Taker/HHH, it should be good but I could also see it end up being a total train wreck. By now Hunter will have to carry the Undertaker through the match, so I hope he shakes off the ring rust by Wrestlemania.

Orton suffers from the same thing people hate Cena for. His gimmick was played out years ago, but there doesn't seem to be an end to it.

Right now, I don't think I'll be buying Wrestlemania this year. Ideally I'd like to see Del Rio win and Miz retain, but I easily see the exact opposite happening. I have no interest in HHH/Undertaker, King/Cole, the eventual Orton win or anything involving the divas. The likely lack of a MitB match isn't helping either, but I see why they will likely stop having one at WM.

So far Bryan/Shaemus is the only match that really seems interesting along with The Rock

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Morrison is Marty Jannetty w/ a better look.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Orton suffers from the same thing people hate Cena for. His gimmick was played out years ago, but there doesn't seem to be an end to it.

Right now, I don't think I'll be buying Wrestlemania this year. Ideally I'd like to see Del Rio win and Miz retain, but I easily see the exact opposite happening. I have no interest in HHH/Undertaker, King/Cole, the eventual Orton win or anything involving the divas. The likely lack of a MitB match isn't helping either, but I see why they will likely stop having one at WM.

So far Bryan/Shaemus is the only match that really seems interesting along with The Rock

That's pretty much where I am.

Although I hate Cole enough by this point that I'd enjoy seeing King knock him out. That guy has 'go away' heat at this point. As in I wish he was gone. But it's not enough to pay $60 for.

I think they're going to put Del Rio over. It's not going to be faces winning the entire card, so odds are either Miz or he will get a win.

The weird thing is going to be how they set up HHH/Taker. Who's the face and who's the heel? Because they both are basically both. HHH seemed more over tonight, which was a surprise to me, but maybe that was the casual people in the audience who didn't know he was going to be there. And how is Michaels going to fit into it? He could end up being the real selling point.

The Diva's stuff could be interesting if they get awesome kong involved, but it seems a little late for that. And I don't think they can re-create the great matches she and Gail Kim had years ago.