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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:46 AM   #301
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APlayed in a freeze-option offense, which means he faced mostly man-on-man coverage and did not have to do that much reading of defenses. Generally, when he did have to read defenses, he just had to read half the field. Can still be a streaky and erratic passer. Needs work on his drop-back techniques. Still must improve timing, touch and anticipation of receiver. Tends to hold on to the ball too long and must learn when to unload. Gets sloppy with the ball at times and is very sloppy when he comes up under center to handle the exchange, leading to unnecessary fumbles. Played in a domed stadium in college and has not had to play in a lot of bad weather. Needs to work on his deep passing. May not be tough enough with his teammates and may be too nice of a guy.
nd Here is McNabb from 1999. If Reid would take this guy, surely he would take Geno
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:48 AM   #302
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Yeah, I think it's interesting to see the scouts takes on some of the QB's that have been successful other than RG3 and Luck over the past 10 years. They all have major questions, and here people are picking apart Geno Smith, who's scouting reports are for the most part, very positive.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:51 AM   #303
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Yeah, I don't see the Matt Ryan comparison. I'd say for Barkley to be successful he'd have to be a little more Brees and have elite accuracy to make up for his lack of arm strength.
I like the Brees comparison.

I probably like Barkley more than most.

With Brees, it's not just about accuracy, it's about anticipation.

He not only studies defenses, he studies his receivers, learns their strengths and weaknesses, their tendencies, and knows exactly where they will be on any given play.

He has one of the weakest arms in the league, but because he has dedicated himself to mastering the mental aspects of the game, he throws with the best combination of accuracy and anticipation in the game.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:18 AM   #304
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Exactly, Flacco's a great example.

If you have a guy that's just flat going to misfire on half the balls he throws, the risk/reward needs to make every time he drops back worth the possible turnover.

When you're Mark Sanchez or Matt Cassel and your 'accurate' pass is worth 8 yards because it was a checkdown and then your inaccurate pass is thrown to the shoes of a RB out of the backfield or picked off over the middle, you're of no use to anyone. But if you're Flacco or Eli and an accurate pass is good for 40 yards and an inaccurate one is, at worst, the equivalent of a mediocre punt, well at that point you can be useful even if you're not precise.
great way of describing a couple of head scratching QBs...the distance between the bad and good versions of themselves is incredible...but you've pointed out why they're worth it in spite of inconsistencies...

perfection is really over rated anyways, in prospects and in performance...much more important is the ability to be successful at key moments, under certain situations
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:24 AM   #305
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I like the Brees comparison.

I probably like Barkley more than most.

With Brees, it's not just about accuracy, it's about anticipation.

He not only studies defenses, he studies his receivers, learns their strengths and weaknesses, their tendencies, and knows exactly where they will be on any given play.

He has one of the weakest arms in the league, but because he has dedicated himself to mastering the mental aspects of the game, he throws with the best combination of accuracy and anticipation in the game.
i think Barkley will be the most interesting to watch in the draft...can see him top 6 or near falling out the first...frankly, I think drafting a lug like Glennon over him is insane, but hey...

as I've said many times, I've liked him since he was a frosh...though this year did shake me a bit, just some strange decisions under pressure

i will be disappointed if we don't draft smith, but will not be disappointed if we draft Barkley...there is a coach and a system that can win with him (quite possibly Reid), even if requires a lot of offensive weaponry a la Ryan

i feel like barkley will to some degree break the perceived USC curse...just because...
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:29 AM   #306
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i think Barkley will be the most interesting to watch in the draft...can see him top 6 or near falling out the first...frankly, I think drafting a lug like Glennon over him is insane, but hey...

as I've said many times, I've liked him since he was a frosh...though this year did shake me a bit, just some strange decisions under pressure

i will be disappointed if we don't draft smith, but will not be disappointed if we draft Barkley...there is a coach and a system that can win with him (quite possibly Reid), even if requires a lot of offensive weaponry a la Ryan

i feel like barkley will to some degree break the perceived USC curse...just because...
Have to consider that this past season is probably the first time in his life that Barkley faced pressure on the kind of consistent basis that he did.

It was a new, learning experience, and I thought he did a fair job in handling it, and will only be better for it.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:35 AM   #307
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Yeah, I think it's interesting to see the scouts takes on some of the QB's that have been successful other than RG3 and Luck over the past 10 years. They all have major questions, and here people are picking apart Geno Smith, who's scouting reports are for the most part, very positive.
I think it certainly has to be at least in part because of a sliding scale after RG3 and Luck. Which is ironic, because he most likely would have been the third QB off the board in last year's class, going in Tannehill's spot (if not higher - and I mean if Geno was coming out as a senior with that group of players). But this year? Oh, no way, he's not worth a high pick.

In any other draft any other year, his name's in the discussion for the #1. Just not this year. In a class with no clear star at any position.

I also think, however, that there's another factor: we have the #1 pick. And as everyone knows, we haven't drafted a quarterback since Moses parted the red sea. So I think there's a well-deserved assumption that we won't take one now. And I think a certain vocal segment of the fanbase is gunshy about doing it as well. Maybe they've been conditioned to think that way, always go for the 'safe' pick, or maybe they just don't believe it will ever happen, either.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:56 AM   #308
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I think it certainly has to be at least in part because of a sliding scale after RG3 and Luck. Which is ironic, because he most likely would have been the third QB off the board in last year's class, going in Tannehill's spot (if not higher - and I mean if Geno was coming out as a senior with that group of players). But this year? Oh, no way, he's not worth a high pick.

In any other draft any other year, his name's in the discussion for the #1. Just not this year. In a class with no clear star at any position.

I also think, however, that there's another factor: we have the #1 pick. And as everyone knows, we haven't drafted a quarterback since Moses parted the red sea. So I think there's a well-deserved assumption that we won't take one now. And I think a certain vocal segment of the fanbase is gunshy about doing it as well. Maybe they've been conditioned to think that way, always go for the 'safe' pick, or maybe they just don't believe it will ever happen, either.
Great post.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:30 PM   #309
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Have to consider that this past season is probably the first time in his life that Barkley faced pressure on the kind of consistent basis that he did.

It was a new, learning experience, and I thought he did a fair job in handling it, and will only be better for it.
Indeed. His stats were slightly up INTs included. It would be interesting to know if most of those came from poor decision making or lack of arm strength.
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I like the Brees comparison.

I probably like Barkley more than most.

With Brees, it's not just about accuracy, it's about anticipation.

He not only studies defenses, he studies his receivers, learns their strengths and weaknesses, their tendencies, and knows exactly where they will be on any given play.

He has one of the weakest arms in the league, but because he has dedicated himself to mastering the mental aspects of the game, he throws with the best combination of accuracy and anticipation in the game.
I never thought of Brees having a weak arm-lol We have the top 3 weakest armed QB's on our team now-lol Brady Quit threw a swing pass that hit the ground-lol I
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Indeed. His stats were slightly up INTs included. It would be interesting to know if most of those came from poor decision making or lack of arm strength.
I don't think barkley has a weak arm by any stretch. I think his INT's were up because he faced ALOT of pressure, his o-line was not very good, he constently had pressure directly on him. So rather than going thru his reads like he was able to years previous he would try to touch pass into tight windows.

My 1 knock on barkley is i think he falls in love with touch passes to much rather than actually showing off his arm strength. Which is fine if you have the time to set it up and read it properly. But this year he didn't have that luxury
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I never thought of Brees having a weak arm-lol We have the top 3 weakest armed QB's on our team now-lol Brady Quit threw a swing pass that hit the ground-lol I
Brees is probably bottom 10 in arm strength in the league.
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