Dexter McCluster will catch 90 balls

[Hammock Parties]

According to Jim Zorn, who talked to this fan on an airplane.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/9...s-brain-picked

Zorn loves McCluster, predicted he would have 90 catches this year. (so pick him up on your fantasy wire, I did..)

I'm utterly horrified if this account is true. This means:

A)I will be destroyed in another bet.

B)Our offense will be a joke if McCluster touches the ball that much.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Color me surprised that being wrong on a bet comes before the affect it has on the Chiefs.

He knows that he's going to lose all those bets now, and be exposed as the least knowledgeable poster here.
He should have just stuck to the vids and gifs. That stuff is really enjoyable.
His football takes are almost impossible to read.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by O.city

If he catches 90 balls, we are in trouble. He's not nearly that good of a playmaker. 45 might be a little high.

What is going to matter is whether he gets open, and those catches result in first downs. 45-50 for 10-12 a pop is the perfect number for a player like him.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

He also talked about alot of other stuff.....Discuss......


•Zorn said this is really the first season he's had quality one on one time with Cassel. Said before everything went through Haley.
•Said Haley and everyone in the organization knew Haley had to go, it wasn't a good fit.
•I noted my biggest criticism of Cassel is he is hesitant in the pocket, that he has to wait for the WR to be open to pull the trigger, versus anticipating the open WR. Zorn said that's a New England/Tom Brady way of doing it, give the QB all day in the pocket to find the open WR.
•Zorn said Cassel practiced mistakes last 2 years, wasn't corrected properly in practice.
•He likes Daboll's offense, said it's a blend of West Coast and vertical passing game.
•Zorn loves McCluster, predicted he would have 90 catches this year. (so pick him up on your fantasy wire, I did..)
•He wasn't impressed with Moeaki, mostly because he was injured in Zorn's first year, but he said Moeaki's tape was just OK, that he wanted to see it live before praising the kid.
•He heaped huge praise on Hillis, and said Charles still isn't 100% (at the start of camp).
•He didn't blame Bowe for not signing, said no matter when he shows up he'll be way behind, all it takes is missing mini camps.
•Zorn said he had offers to go and coach elsewhere but the Chiefs wouldn't let him out of his contract, and declined other teams interests in interviewing him. He wouldn't say where, but did say he was happy to stay, to work with Daboll and Romeo. I like that we have a coach in demand.

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[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

If he catches 90 balls, we are in trouble. He's not nearly that good of a playmaker. 45 might be a little high.

Agreed.

He catches 45 balls, it's at the expense of a better player.

We might throw the ball 450 times this year.

Bowe should get 150-175 targets.

Baldwin around 75-100.

Breaston around 75.

On the low end, that leaves 150 targets for Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki.

IIRC, Charles alone had somewhere around 70 targets in his big 2010 season.

Let's say the backs split 75 targets.

That leaves 75 for the TE's to split.

So unless we through the ball 500+ times - which hasn't happened ONCE since Cassel became the QB - any touches DMc gets are just stealing opportunities from a better player.

He's the 8th option, and he's probably going to get more than 50 targets.

What does that tell you about our offense?

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

What is going to matter is whether he gets open, and those catches result in first downs. 45-50 for 10-12 a pop is the perfect number for a player like him.

It will probably be 7-9 a pop, but yeah. He's going to be our third down guy, you just know it.

Hey man, if they figured out a way to actually use him effectively, then that's fan-freaking-tastic.

I was one thinking he wouldn't make the roster. My brother said I was insane, and he's going to have a big year.

We're probably both wrong, but for now, he has bragging rights.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agreed.

He catches 45 balls, it's at the expense of a better player.

We might throw the ball 450 times this year.

Bowe should get 150-175 targets.

Baldwin around 75-100.

Breaston around 75.

On the low end, that leaves 150 targets for Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki.

IIRC, Charles alone had somewhere around 70 targets in his big 2010 season.

Let's say the backs split 75 targets.

That leaves 75 for the TE's to split.

So unless we through the ball 500+ times - which hasn't happened ONCE since Cassel became the QB - any touches DMc gets are just stealing opportunities from a better player.

He's the 8th option, and he's probably going to get more than 50 targets.

What does that tell you about our offense?

He will steal them from Breaston, hopefully, if it has to be someone.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Whatever supports his argument. He's a joke. He's set up to lose every bet he's made. It's gonna be one of the biggest fails in the history of CP

I don't think that's it.

The guy used to be ultra homer with zero objectivity and he got consistently called on it and saw the Drafturbators getting respect for being "objective" (which is translated to pessimistic in cp terms) so he started down that path trying to gain the respect for all the hours he spends trying to learn about the intricacies of the sport at this level and that didn't really work either.

Now, he is just trolling most of the time IMO...

At one point, the guy will find his middle ground and start banging it out like yours truly, but it's a process.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agreed.

He catches 45 balls, it's at the expense of a better player.

We might throw the ball 450 times this year.

Bowe should get 150-175 targets.

Baldwin around 75-100.

Breaston around 75.

On the low end, that leaves 150 targets for Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki.

IIRC, Charles alone had somewhere around 70 targets in his big 2010 season.

Let's say the backs split 75 targets.

That leaves 75 for the TE's to split.

So unless we through the ball 500+ times - which hasn't happened ONCE since Cassel became the QB - any touches DMc gets are just stealing opportunities from a better player.

He's the 8th option, and he's probably going to get more than 50 targets.

What does that tell you about our offense?

Missing one important thing here:

Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston "X" TE will never see those targets because they'll be running more than 10 yards downfield.

McCluster can certainly achieve 45+ because he's going to be Cassel's check down safety net.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

He will steal them from Breaston, hopefully, if it has to be someone.

Breaston was 11th out of 53 in catch percentage last year among players with at least 80 targets.

I'd rather SB get those targets.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agreed.

He catches 45 balls, it's at the expense of a better player.

We might throw the ball 450 times this year.

Bowe should get 150-175 targets.

Baldwin around 75-100.

Breaston around 75.

On the low end, that leaves 150 targets for Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki.

IIRC, Charles alone had somewhere around 70 targets in his big 2010 season.

Let's say the backs split 75 targets.

That leaves 75 for the TE's to split.

So unless we through the ball 500+ times - which hasn't happened ONCE since Cassel became the QB - any touches DMc gets are just stealing opportunities from a better player.

He's the 8th option, and he's probably going to get more than 50 targets.

What does that tell you about our offense?

That they still don't know exactly how to properly use the kid to maximize his potential and that many on CP vastly undervalue DMC because they weren't happy with where he was chosen in the draft.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Missing one important thing here:

Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston "X" TE will never see those targets because they'll be running more than 10 yards downfield.

McCluster can certainly achieve 45+ because he's going to be Cassel's check down safety net.

Thank you for answering my question.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I don't think that's it.

The guy used to be ultra homer with zero objectivity and he got consistently called on it and saw the Drafturbators getting respect for being "objective" (which is translated to pessimistic in cp terms) so he started down that path trying to gain the respect for all the hours he spends trying to learn about the intricacies of the sport at this level and that didn't really work either.

Now, he is just trolling most of the time IMO...

At one point, the guy will find his middle ground and start banging it out like yours truly, but it's a process.

I agree to an extent.
It is sad and pathetic. It's a childlike need for attention.
His lack of objectivity is the reason it's so annoying too.
On one hand, I hate to see him do this crap because I like his dedication to this team, and have always liked the guy, and don't want to see him look so stupid...and of course enjoy his vids, and gifed up.
And on the other hand, I'm really looking forward to this team proving him wrong, pounding his inflexible takes into the ground, and forcing him to take a much needed sabbatical, in hopes that he comes back with head screwed on right.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by BossChief

many on CP vastly undervalue DMC because they weren't happy with where he was chosen in the draft.

This is what irritates me about CP. When Baldwin has a great TC, it's "OMG BALDWIN IS GONNA BEAST"....then he doesn't show up in Preseason, McCluster has a great preseason and then we hear, "IT DOESN'T COUNT, IT'S PRESEASON".

People have this blind hatred & bias for McCluster just because of where he was drafted. It's ridiculous. No matter what this kid does, he can't win with some of you.

Why? Because Pioli picked him the 2nd.

Boo ****ing whoooo. Get over it. It was 3 goddamn years ago.

The Midget has done enough this preseason and TC to show an OBJECTIONABLE person that he can in fact contribute to this offense, and by the looks of it, the Chiefs are planning on using him a lot. Anyone with eyes can see that.

McCluster may not be great, but he's not bad either.

If on the field production means ANYTHING....then he does in fact deserve more targets than guys like Baldwin and Moeaki, because he has out produced them and has done more with his opportunities than they have.

But of course, CP will continue turning a blind eye to that because, well.....because he was picked in the 2nd round.

[Discuss Thrower]

Doesn't the fact that KC signed Boss hint at using both him and Moeaki in a very very VERY poor man's attempt to replicate NE's offense?

That is unless Boss was signed purely for depth...

[beach tribe]

I also have no problem with him being against this regime, and wanting it gone. That's his own opinion, and I respect it, if that's how he feels.