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View Poll Results: If both are available, who do you take?
Jake Long, OT Michigan 30 42.25%
Glen Dorsey, DT LSU 41 57.75%
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Old 12-15-2007, 04:44 PM  
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Who do you take?

Chiefs are on the clock and both Jake Long and Glen Dorsey are both sitting there.

who do you take? (these are the only two choices, no Gaz option)
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:26 PM   #46
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You people wanting Oline.....how many of you wanted Joe Staley when the rest of us said it was best to go WR......

How'd that work out? Would you rather have Staley or Bowe...

I realized the extreme need for a WR.

I'll counter that while Bowe has been outstanding, having that much of an upgrade at the T position would probably have improved the performance of the entire offense.



I suppose I'd select Dorsey, but they'd better have a damn good option with either a FA or 2nd round OT.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:27 PM   #47
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I am not arguing this. I didn't vote. I just think fixing the O-line is more important.
You take the best available talent when you're drafting this high.

Dorsey is probably the best talent in this draft. He is a game-changing menace.

You can go out and sign a Flozell Adams to play LT and move McIntosh to RT. You can't find a Glen Dorsey in FA.

And the people that are saying that because we drafted Ryan Sims, we can't take a chance on a DT, stop watching football please.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:28 PM   #48
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My feeling is this, this team is bad and this is more than a 1 year thing....

In this scenario...you take Dorsey, then you get a OT in the 2nd...a guard somewhere in the mid rounds...then come back with your elite LT next year.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:31 PM   #49
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I realized the extreme need for a WR.

I'll counter that while Bowe has been outstanding, having that much of an upgrade at the T position would probably have improved the performance of the entire offense.

but so what? who cares if our offense was better this year? we still wouldn't have been a championship team, and we'd have a worse pick...

it's the short term vs the long term


we got the player with the biggest upside in Bowe, and what looks like a true #1 WR, and now we can look for a LT...I just think we need to do this consistently...then in 2-3 years we'll loaded...I don't want to draft an inferior player just to win an extra game next year....
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:32 PM   #50
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You take the best available talent when you're drafting this high.
I agree. I am so disgusted with the O-line play this season, I can't see straight.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:32 PM   #51
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Wow. I love the judgement of Jake Long.. I have watched every game he played for U-M and he IS an elite player. He has given up ONE sack this year.

I hope enough Pro GM's are as dumb as you guys... maybe he will fall to us. We will probably need a top 3 pick to get him.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:34 PM   #52
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Jake Long doesn't have the feet to deal with speed rushers.....that's his knock. He's a big monster run blocker though....this is why people are saying he projects out as a RT....his strengths are what you look for in RT's....
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:45 PM   #53
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Jake Long doesn't have the feet to deal with speed rushers.....that's his knock. He's a big monster run blocker though....this is why people are saying he projects out as a RT....his strengths are what you look for in RT's....
How do you figure? Vernon Gholston is the only guy who beat him ALL YEAR. And he only beat him ONCE the entire game. Cliff Avril didn't beat him. Kenny Iwebema didn't.

I don't get the knock on Long... how do you know what he "can't" handle??? Gholston is 1st/2nd round talent and he only got past Long ONCE.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:49 PM   #54
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Well I think it's funny that you think Jake Long is a top 3 pick.....but hey to each their own right.

I do like how you leave out the fact that Michigan runs the ball 50 times a game...so his sack totals aren't that relevant to me. And that the Big 10 wasn't all that good this year...and I don't see any elite DE's..

Long has issues with speed rushers he has slow feet, he's a excellent run blocker...which makes him look outstanding at Michigan. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a career just like Jeff Backus.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:51 PM   #55
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Like I said, I think he's a good prospect, just not an elite prospect. I think there are several guys that should go before him in the draft.
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:54 PM   #56
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He wants to be the best, he finishes blocks. he is coachable, and he has great size and strength. He likes demolishing his opponents...there is no finesse about him.
"good LT, great RT"

isn't that what everyone has been saying?

do you spend a top 5 pick on a guy who is perceived to be a better RT?


it is simple really, if the Chiefs think Long is an elite LT then they would draft him, if they don't they would draft Dorsey/Ellis...all hypothetical of course...
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:59 PM   #57
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Fixing the OL is more important, but I suppose if Dorsey's on the board, you have to take him.

I'm guessing this won't be something Carl will have to deal with anyway.
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Old 12-15-2007, 06:06 PM   #58
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Well I think it's funny that you think Jake Long is a top 3 pick.....but hey to each their own right.

I do like how you leave out the fact that Michigan runs the ball 50 times a game...so his sack totals aren't that relevant to me. And that the Big 10 wasn't all that good this year...and I don't see any elite DE's..

Long has issues with speed rushers he has slow feet, he's a excellent run blocker...which makes him look outstanding at Michigan. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a career just like Jeff Backus.
Spoken like a true Pac10 weenie...

Vernon Gholston will go in the 1st or VERY early 2nd round... not a bad player to hold to ONE sack.

Also, Michigan attempted 384 passes this year. That's 32 attempts a game. That is the same as Oregon, and only 3 behind USC. Did you watch a SINGLE game of his or are you basing this on what you have read?

Dorsey is good but so is Long and Long is a safer pick given Dorsey's nagging injuries and attitude.
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Old 12-15-2007, 06:11 PM   #59
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Did you really just say Dorsey has a bad attitude..WTF?
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Old 12-15-2007, 06:18 PM   #60
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Will you change your tune if Long doesn't give up a sack versus Derrick Harvey in the Capital One Bowl?
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