****OFFICIAL 2013 NASCAR THREAD****

[In58men]

Next Race: Michigan 10:00 am est.


Completed Races:

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2/16 Daytona International Speedway (Shootout)
Winner: Kevin Harvick

2/21 Daytona International Speedway (Duel)
1st Duel: Kevin Harvick
2nd Duel: Kyle Busch


2/24 Daytona 500
Winner: Jimmie Johnson

3/3 Phoenix International Raceway
Pole: Mark Martin
Winner: Carl Edwards

3/10 Las Vegas Motor Speedway:
Pole: Brad Keselowski
Winner: Matt Kenseth

3/17 Bristol Motor Speedway
Winner: Kasey Kahne

3/24 Auto Club Speedway
Winner: Kyle Busch

4/7 Martinsville Speedway
Winner: Jimmie Johnson

4/13 Texas Motor Speedway
Winner: Kyle Busch

4/21 Kansas Speedway
Winner Matt Kenseth

4/27 Richmond International
Winner Kevin Harvick

5/5 Talladega Speedway
Winner: David Ragan

5/11 Darlington Raceway
Winner: Matt Kenseth

5/18 NASCAR Sprint All-Star Race
Winner: Jimmie Johnson

5/26 Charlotte Motor Speedway
Winner: Kevin Harvick

6/2 Dover International Speedway
Winner: Tony Stewart

6/9 Pocono Raceway
Winner: Jimmie Johnson

6/16 Michigan International Speedway
Winner: Greg Biffle

6/23 Sonoma
Winner: Martin Truex Jr

Remaining 2013 Schedule:

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7/6 Daytona International Speedway
(2012 Winner Tony Stewart)

7/14 New Hampshire Motor Speedway
(2012 Winner Kasey Kahne)

7/28 Indianapolis Motor Speedway
(2012 Winner Jimmie Johnson)

8/4 Pocono Raceway
(2012 Winner Jeff Gordon)

8/11 Watkins Glen International
(2012 Winner Marcos Ambrose)

8/18 Michigan International Speedway
(2012 Winner Greg Biffle)

8/24 Bristol Motor Speedway
(2012 Winner Denny Hamlin)

9/1 Atlanta Motor Speedway
(2012 Winner Denny Hamlin)

9/7 Richmond International Raceway
(2012 Winner Clint Bowyer)

9/15 Chicagoland Speedway
(2012 Winner Brad Keselowski)

9/22 New Hampshire Motor Speedway
(2012 Winner Denny Hamlin)

9/29 Dover International Speedway
(2012 Winner Denny Hamlin)

10/6 Kansas Speedway
(2012 Winner Matt Kenseth)

10/12 Charlotte Motor Speedway
(2012 Winner Clint Bowyer)

10/20 Talladega Superspeedway
(2012 Winner Matt Kenseth)

10/27 Martinsville Speedway
(2012 Winner Jimmie Johnson)

11/3 Texas Motor Speedway
(2012 Winner Jimmie Johnson)

11/10 Phoenix International Raceway
(2012 Winner Kevin Harvick)

11/17 Homestead-Miami Speedway
(2012 Winner Jeff Gordon)
(2012 Sprint Cup Champion Brad Keselowski)

Current Standings

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UPDATED 6/23/13
1 Jimmie Johnson 573 --- $5,033,219 3 1 7 10
2 Carl Edwards 548 -25 $2,807,944 1 1 6 9
3 Clint Bowyer 528 -45 $2,537,958 0 0 5 9
4 Kevin Harvick 510 -63 $3,044,272 2 0 4 8
5 Matt Kenseth 481 -92 $3,180,250 3 1 3 8
6 Greg Biffle 479 -94 $2,484,024 1 0 3 7
7 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 479 -94 $2,952,308 0 0 4 9
8 Kyle Busch 461 -112 $3,270,882 2 2 7 9
9 Brad Keselowski 454 -119 $3,019,639 0 0 5 8
10 Martin Truex Jr. 453 -120 $2,455,524 1 1 4 7
11 Kasey Kahne 445 -128 $2,496,418 1 0 5 7
12 Paul Menard 445 -128 $2,151,628 0 0 0 4
13 Jeff Gordon 441 -132 $2,519,803 0 0 4 5
14 Joey Logano 439 -134 $2,575,839 0 0 4 7
15 Tony Stewart 433 -140 $2,635,999 1 0 3 5
16 Aric Almirola 428 -145 $2,306,306 0 0 0 4
17 Kurt Busch 425 -148 $2,261,198 0 0 4 6
18 Ryan Newman 418 -155 $2,506,228 0 0 2 7
19 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 406 -167 $2,435,083 0 0 0 0
20 Jeff Burton 403 -170 $1,805,618 0 0 1 3
21 Jamie McMurray 395 -178 $2,173,188 0 1 0 3
22 Marcos Ambrose 380 -193 $2,125,993 0 0 0 3
23 Juan Pablo Montoya 371 -202 $2,212,369 0 0 2 3
24 Casey Mears 333 -240 $1,844,675 0 0 0 0
25 Denny Hamlin 320 -253 $1,860,744 0 2 3 4
26 Mark Martin 314 -259 $2,155,479 0 1 1 4
27 Danica Patrick 292 -281 $1,677,994 0 1 0 1
28 David Gilliland 281 -292 $1,780,334 0 0 1 1
29 David Ragan 276 -297 $2,073,341 1 0 1 1
30 Bobby Labonte 257 -316 $1,773,044 0 0 0 0
31 Dave Blaney 245 -328 $1,643,378 0 0 0 0
32 David Reutimann 232 -341 $1,609,345 0 0 0 0
33 David Stremme 217 -356 $1,278,195 0 0 0 0
34 J.J. Yeley 215 -358 $1,542,563 0 0 0 1
35 Travis Kvapil 205 -368 $1,672,489 0 0 0 0
36 AJ Allmendinger 158 -415 $658,310 0 0 0 0
37 Michael McDowell 83 -490 $1,232,096 0 0 0 1
38 Timmy Hill 80 -493 $686,326 0 0 0 0
39 Scott Speed 75 -498 $807,494 0 0 0 1
40 Michael Waltrip 63 -510 $465,184 0 0 1 1
41 Terry Labonte 52 -521 $523,777 0 0 0 0
42 Ken Schrader 39 -534 $321,437 0 0 0 0
43 Boris Said 26 -547 $0 0 0 0 0
44 Scott Riggs 10 -563 $314,980 0 0 0 0
45 Victor Gonzalez Jr. 7 -566 $0 0 0 0 0
46 Alex Kennedy 4 -569 $0 0 0 0 0
46 Brian Keselowski 4 -569 $88,990 0 0 0 0
48 Jacques Villeneuve 3 -570 $0 0 0 0 0
49 Jason Leffler 1 -572 $47,550 0 0 0 0

Richmond CHAMPION: CARL EDWARDS!!!!!







Atta boy!!!!!! Now go get that trophy you sexy beast

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

Oh, hell.....I misread that. you were calling YOU an asshole, I thought you were saying Bowyer was.
Well, I ain't met you yet, so I'll have to withhold judgement. I can't say you're one for wanting to see someone hit the wall. I used to love whoever put the #3 into the wall and in reality he was a really great guy (at least every time I ever talked to him)

Yup. I came to grips with my assholeness in a jungle some years back. Once I got over it I found coming to grips with it lifted a burden from my cold and heartless soul...

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I'm sure he's really nice, they all are,

The hell you say.....Quite a few of them that I have met were complete asshats (again, only my opinion) Kulwicki, Cope, and Dallenbach being some of the the biggest and the one that most folks may not believe is Kyle Petty....in person, you would swear that he thinks he has his daddy's resume.

Oddly enough, two of the nicest NASCAR drivers I have had the chance to hang out with for any length of time and actually BS with were drivers I didn't/don't care for AS DRIVERS...Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by TrebMaxx

They need to just get rid of the "Chase". Whoever has the most points at the end of the season is the champion. They tried to fix something that wasn't broke and it is turning NASCAR into a joke.

I agree... But to be fair they wanted to make sure the races during football season we're relevant every year, and this was one solution that did that. So I can connect the dots - but like you, I just don't agree with them.

That being said, I still think they need to fix the middle 75% of laps of almost every race, especially at super speedways by making each lap VERY relevant for points. If they'd do THAT I think they'd find that the race's excitement would keep them profitable during football season, not the fact that no one driver has an near lock on the championship.

Make a lap's leader count (every lap), make wins count a little more, and make cars start setup EXACTLY like they were when they shutdown the engine after qualifying (park them and lock them). THAT'S what this NASCAR fan of more than 30 years would like to see...

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

The hell you say.....Quite a few of them that I have met were complete asshats (again, only my opinion) Kulwicki, Cope, and Dallenbach being some of the the biggest and the one that most folks may not believe is Kyle Petty....in person, you would swear that he thinks he has his daddy's resume.

Oddly enough, two of the nicest NASCAR drivers I have had the chance to hang out with for any length of time and actually BS with were drivers I didn't/don't care for AS DRIVERS...Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon

Kyle Petty just screams douchebagness with his pony tail

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

The hell you say.....Quite a few of them that I have met were complete asshats (again, only my opinion) Kulwicki, Cope, and Dallenbach being some of the the biggest and the one that most folks may not believe is Kyle Petty....in person, you would swear that he thinks he has his daddy's resume.

Oddly enough, two of the nicest NASCAR drivers I have had the chance to hang out with for any length of time and actually BS with were drivers I didn't/don't care for AS DRIVERS...Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon

Fame tends to do that to people after a while... Even Guy Fieri from the food Network's D-3 show was a total asslip to the Royals folks when he was here in town. Not to mention Kevin James (King of Queens) - yeah that FATTY - is a total dickmunch!

So I tend to think they're prolly all nice in their own special way, and if they aren't it's prolly because they've heard I'm a total asshole and it's just Karma...

[Old Dog]

fair enough

well, from one asshole to another.....to hell with 'em

[Dylan]

NASCAR, we have a problem

It has been said that there has been cheating going on in NASCAR since they first started. Yes, advantages were sought, but usually it was to make the car go faster in order to win, not to throw the race in order to fix an outcome.

http://www.speedwaymedia.com/?p=6805...source=taboola

Nothing new to see folks, go back to your daily chores...

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by TrebMaxx

They need to just get rid of the "Chase". Whoever has the most points at the end of the season is the champion. They tried to fix something that wasn't broke and it is turning NASCAR into a joke.

Not necessarily...that was the old way and with the scoring (3pts per position), it became a joke toward the end of the season...the last 10-15 races really didnt mean anything. Kenseth's first championship came with zero wins. Obviously, that's ludicrous...No one should win a racing championship with zero wins.

On top of that Nascar is/was competing with the NFL for viewers toward the end of the season. The only way to keep people watching was to create a playoff system.

I still think that Nascar doesnt reward enough points for wins, top 5 or even top 10. The only person in the chase with zero wins prior to Richmond was Bowyer. That's a model of consistency, but if you cant win a race, what point do you have being in a playoff.

Same with Gordon...maybe the playoff should be a playoff of the winners of the first 26 races, and be done with it or weight the points to some degree so that someone in 26th place doesnt have a chance to squeak into the chase.

Using your formula, Gordon would have at least 6 championships by now, but the last few races wouldnt be compelling enough to draw enough viewers over NFL (or even MLB) in the races from mid Sept-Nov. They're not going to cut their season down so something had to give.

I like the chase but dont like the chase...I realize that it is what it is, something to make the final 10 races relevant. Otherwise, the Nascar season would be effectively over by Labor day.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Not necessarily...that was the old way and with the scoring (3pts per position), it became a joke toward the end of the season...the last 10-15 races really didnt mean anything. Kenseth's first championship came with zero wins. Obviously, that's ludicrous...No one should win a racing championship with zero wins.

On top of that Nascar is/was competing with the NFL for viewers toward the end of the season. The only way to keep people watching was to create a playoff system.

I still think that Nascar doesnt reward enough points for wins, top 5 or even top 10. The only person in the chase with zero wins prior to Richmond was Bowyer. That's a model of consistency, but if you cant win a race, what point do you have being in a playoff.

Same with Gordon...maybe the playoff should be a playoff of the winners of the first 26 races, and be done with it or weight the points to some degree so that someone in 26th place doesnt have a chance to squeak into the chase.

Using your formula, Gordon would have at least 6 championships by now, but the last few races wouldnt be compelling enough to draw enough viewers over NFL (or even MLB) in the races from mid Sept-Nov. They're not going to cut their season down so something had to give.

I like the chase but dont like the chase...I realize that it is what it is, something to make the final 10 races relevant. Otherwise, the Nascar season would be effectively over by Labor day.

Well said.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

fair enough

well, from one asshole to another.....to hell with 'em

Well this asshole thinks they're dicks!! Ha!

[Demonpenz]

I like the chase. I like the old way as well. I just like nascar I guess.

[TribalElder]

**** nascar

I knew they would sneak gordons pillow biting ass into the chase

that is straight up horseshit

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

**** nascar

I knew they would sneak gordons pillow biting ass into the chase

that is straight up horseshit

Butthurt much???

That being said, I guess you think it's not horseshit and irrelevant that he was in the chase prior to the order being given, OVER THE AIRWAVES, to cause a caution so the standings would be altered? And that other "OVER THE AIRWAVES" manipulations were in progress in those same closing laps?

I'm a Gordon fan, I get that you aren't, but your desire to keep one person out (without articulating a logical argument as to why) seems pretty ****ing stupid. I'd say your 5-year-old rendition of fairness seems to show that the Hicks running NASCAR are a LOT smarter than at least some of the fans.

With that, as you wipe the tears from your angered eyes, rest easy knowing that JG probably won't stray anywhere near being the 2013 NASCAR champ...

[TribalElder]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Butthurt much???

That being said, I guess you think it's not horseshit and irrelevant that he was in the chase prior to the order being given, OVER THE AIRWAVES, to cause a caution so the standings would be altered? And that other "OVER THE AIRWAVES" manipulations were in progress in those same closing laps?

I'm a Gordon fan, I get that you aren't, but your desire to keep one person out (without articulating a logical argument as to why) seems pretty ****ing stupid. I'd say your 5-year-old rendition of fairness seems to show that the Hicks running NASCAR are a LOT smarter than at least some of the fans.

With that, as you wipe the tears from your angered eyes, rest easy knowing that JG probably won't stray anywhere near being the 2013 NASCAR champ...

No, my father in law told me 2 weeks before the chase started that Nascar would fix the race so that Gordon would get in to the chase through cautions and what not. I was shocked when Gordon missed it by 1 point. I thought it was funny that he was wrong about that because he has been a long time Nascar fan. Turns out they changed the rules to allow a 13th person in to the Chase. I just was on the phone with him and he told me "I told you it's fixed". The hendrick racing team has so much influence over Nascar to the point of getting rules changed to get their cars put in to the race. That type of shit is not respectable

[Mav]

In other news.

Penske swept the front row, with LOGANO taking the poll.

Get em boys. Back to back titles for PENSKE!!!!!