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Old 06-25-2017, 08:37 AM  
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Teicher: Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum
Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum

Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer



KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The most notable event of the week for one AFC West favorite came when the Oakland Raiders signed their franchise quarterback, Derek Carr, to a five-year contract extension.

The most notable event of the week for the division's other top contender came when the Kansas City Chiefs announced -- one month before the start of training camp -- they were looking to hire a new general manager.

Talk about a tale of two franchises. Carr and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie were all smiles at Friday's news conference to announce the quarterback's contract. Carr, even though he's now the highest-paid player in NFL history, talked about his desire to leave some money for teammates who are also due for a raise. McKenzie talked about his desire to get that accomplished.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs hid behind a prepared statement that didn't explain their reasons for letting go of general manager John Dorsey.

In Oakland, they have a plan. With Carr signed for the long term, McKenzie and the Raiders are free to secure some of their other good, young players such as linebacker Khalil Mack, offensive lineman Gabe Jackson and wide receiver Amari Cooper.

In Kansas City, the Chiefs don't have a plan or if they do, they need a better one. Looking for a GM with training camp looming should never be a part of the script.

The week's developments in Oakland and in Kansas City won't necessarily determine the course of the AFC West race in 2017 and for years to come. They will make things more difficult for the Chiefs, who tied with the Raiders at 12-4 last season but won the AFC West title because they swept the two games against Oakland.

Both teams until recently looked as if they had sustainability. The Raiders have many good, young players and the financial resources to keep them around for a while. The Chiefs are well coached by Andy Reid and his staff and also have a talented roster that was being continually restocked because of Dorsey's smart drafting. The Chiefs in April drafted Patrick Mahomes II, perhaps giving them an eventual franchise quarterback of their own.

Suddenly, it's natural to wonder about the Chiefs, who don't look as if they're being guided by any well-thought-out plan. Early in June, they released their most accomplished and experienced wide receiver, Jeremy Maclin, two years after signing him as a free agent.

Now, after discussing a contract extension with Dorsey earlier in the offseason, they're looking for his replacement. That task is more daunting given the mixed results from chairman Clark Hunt in hiring GMs. Dorsey was a good hire. The previous general manager, Scott Pioli, was not.

Hunt needs to get this one right. The Chiefs have to keep up with their rivals in Oakland, who have a general manager, money to burn and a smart plan.

The Chiefs, for the moment, have none of the three.


http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...-ride-momentum
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:15 AM   #136
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I think the Raiders can definitely point to a number of things as positives heading in to 2017. KC has a new QB that might be ready in 2018, they let Maclin go and just gave Reid all the power he wants and dropped Dorsey -- who had been pimped by most around here as a football god that had turned around KC's fortunes.

Now, he's bad at cap management and totally not a big deal anymore (by some)...

Good teams don't normally find themselves looking for new GMs at this point in the season. I'm not suggesting KC will fall to pieces because they lost their GM, but I do think this speaks volumes about the way the team is run and what to expect from Reid with all the chips on his side of the table at this point. What kind of GM will they get? It will be a yes man.
Has there ever been such a big deal about a mediocre overpaid receiver being released as there has with Maclin? He might have a bounce back year, but still will not be worth what he would have been paid. It was a good move for next year and the future. I am not sure how that gives the Faders "momentum" we already have better options on the roster.

As far as the GM- the draft is done and we have plenty of time to bring someone in before camp. Yes is was quite a surprise, once again- How does that give the Faders an edge? We still have basically the same team that shut them down last year- twice.

Faders will be playing home games in a half-empty stadium- at least they should after screwing over their loyal makeup wearing fans. It was a dick move all about money. But the Faders have a long history of ****ing over their fans, they should be used to it. Meanwhile, they will have to come into a sold out Arrowhead.

The Faders just gave a QB that has a terrible record against potential playoff teams and zero playoff wins- the best contract in their history. So by grabbing the daily headlines for a ridiculous contract- I guess we will call that momentum.

Where the Faders had a legit edge was in the salary cap- due to Dorsey bungling many high-end contracts. Hunt is fixing that now. Faders will be in cap hell a few years from now as our dead money falls off.

Oh, they did sign an aging RB as did the Donks- while the Chiefs drafted one of the best in the draft. We got much younger at that position, while both of our main rivals aged dramatically.

The Las Vegas / Oakland / LA Faders are the carpetbagging media darlings of the NFL at the moment, but still, have to play the Chiefs at least twice next year and it has been a LONG time since they beat us.
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:15 AM   #137
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Teicher's article conveniently overlooks the part about the Raiders being in a lame duck status for the next two years until they move to Las Vegas.

That would seem to be the definition of "adrift".
True...and they have three other players (Gabe, Cooper and Mack) set to be paid soon. The Seahawks had the same situation a few years back...the only difference was they won a SB before paying Wilson. Carr cant beat play-off teams unless Osweiler is the QB.

The cheap labor is about end...
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Old 06-26-2017, 10:16 AM   #138
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Because if it is not rosie it is not correct or news.
No, because Teicher loves dwelling in negative shit all the time and you would think the Chiefs have been 4-12 the last 4 years if you read his just articles and didn't see any games or standings.
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Old 06-26-2017, 10:55 AM   #139
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I get it, and my point was that I don't care about in-fighting. Just get to the fkg SB already.
Calm your fears. The state of the franchise is fine.

We just need the coaching IN GAME to improve as much as the talent has...
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Calm your fears. The state of the franchise is fine.
We are in complete limbo with our GM and QB.

This could all go horribly wrong.
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By the way you guys keep saying Hunt fired Dorsey "now" but that is not the case.

He informed Dorsey he wouldn't be getting an extension and Dorsey quit rather than work out the last year of his contract.
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By the way you guys keep saying Hunt fired Dorsey "now" but that is not the case.

He informed Dorsey he wouldn't be getting an extension and Dorsey quit rather than work out the last year of his contract.
What? Where did you vine this information?

By all accounts, Hunt fired Dorsey last week.

If Dorsey quit (which he didn't), he would have given up his salary for 2017 AND been under contract with the Chiefs for 2017, meaning he couldn't be hired to consult or take a full time job with any NFL franchise.
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We are in complete limbo with our GM and QB.

This could all go horribly wrong.
Or it could be just fine. No way to know at this time.

For all we know shit could have fallen apart with Dorsey still as GM. It would have only taken 1 more shitty contract.
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What? Where did you vine this information?

By all accounts, Hunt fired Dorsey last week. End of story.
Its in the original story in the Star.

Edit: I guess it didn't actually say that but thats kind of how I took it.

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We are in complete limbo with our GM and QB.

This could all go horribly wrong.
Our starter is signed for 2 more years.
Our rookie won't be playing.

Our GM is gone.

Look, going back a long way Dorsey was known for being good with people and with players. He was and is.

When you have that connection it seems out of the blue to just fire a guy, but that's his job. His style is as sharp as the cut of his jaw - that's what I initially liked about the guy. And yes, if you go back I did want us to hire him.

People want to interject "the feels" into this. "How can you love me today and cut me tomorrow?"

It's his job.
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What? Where did you vine this information?

By all accounts, Hunt fired Dorsey last week.

If Dorsey quit (which he didn't), he would have given up his salary for 2017 AND been under contract with the Chiefs for 2017, meaning he couldn't be hired to consult or take a full time job with any NFL franchise.
It was mutual...
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We just need the coaching IN GAME to improve as much as the talent has...
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It was mutual...
No, it wasn't
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No, it wasn't
Both men went in to negotiate a new contract.

Andy got one.

Dorsey didn't.

Why is there the assumption of animosity or discord suddenly?...
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It want mutual. Dorsey got fired.
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