Chiefs Falcons after Gonzalez - Page 7

The Poz · 04-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331

The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez.
The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds.

Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.

milkman · 04-12-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

I wouldn't make that deal. What kind of a message does it send? On one hand we're signing guys that make it look like we want the veteran presences around to lead the way by example and start turning this into a culture of winning now. So trading away Gonzo for a draft pick would be counterproductive to that, and it is highly doubtful that any second round pick would have the same type of impact that Gonzo would have on the offense as a perrenial pro bowler. The only way to make the trade is if you are 100% that the guy is over the hill.

Here's a qquestion.

When were Mike Vrabel and Zach Thomas ever whiney ass bitches?

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I, however, would like to see our QB given the luxury of such an outstanding player to help him develop into the pro bowl caliber QB Chiefs fans and GM Scott Pioli envision.

I know Cassel succeeding would be terrible for all of the drafturbating Sanchez fans...

I dunno, maybe Pioli is thinking about the future of the franchise rather than its fortunes for this season?

Thank God the front office now knows they don't have to act like next year and beyond doesn't exist.

StcChief · 04-12-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Well I'm glad you're having a good time.

What pick at #55 is going to make the Chiefs better than having Tony Gonzalez? is going to make Matt Cassel better?

The drafturbators are quick to give away all-pro caliber players if it means a more thrilling draft weekend.

I, however, would like to see our QB given the luxury of such an outstanding player to help him develop into the pro bowl caliber QB Chiefs fans and GM Scott Pioli envision.

I know Cassel succeeding would be terrible for all of the drafturbating Sanchez fans...

exactly. Give Cassel a go to guy as the WRs get use to him.

Now if Cottom starts look good and stays healthy end of 2009 we could see a future TE playing at high level.
I still want Gonzo going out as a Chief. Traditional story.

Frazod · 04-12-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

If we trade Gonzalez for ONLY #55 and use that pick on Coffman I am going to hate this world.

Why? Coffman's fantastic.

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Dude, it's not all about next year. Sure, part of it is, but really it's about long term value. You're trading for a good chance at getting a player who will be able to help to franchise for the next 10 years, not two.

so having Tony Gonzalez for a year, two (or maybe three) won't help Matt Cassel develop? That's not a long term goal?

And what are the odds a guy at #55 is a pro bowl caliber player? What are the odds he serves the Chiefs for 10 years?

10% and 1%?

Trust me, I'm thinking long term. If having two years of Tony Gonzalez helps Matt Cassel become a pro bowl caliber QB, I think those two years of service are invaluable to the franchise and much more productive than the slim chance the guy at #55 is anything more than a cheap, semi-productive starter who is valuable because his cap number is low.

Let's be honest...building through the draft is necessary because you can pay the guys drafted after the 1st round peanuts and half of the time they are as good, if not better, than the established starter who costs millions that has plenty of wear and tear on his legs.

75% of the guys drafted in the 2nd round end up on another team for their 2nd contract (I have no idea if this is true but I bet it's close to being right).

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

you'd trade Gonzalez for Coffman (when we already have Cottam)?

No ****ing way that happens.

I think you'd have to catch at least 10 passes in a season before I would consider you the heir apparent to the tight end position.

keg in kc · 04-12-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Well I'm glad you're having a good time.

What pick at #55 is going to make the Chiefs better than having Tony Gonzalez?

That's not the question. The question is whether having 1-2 years of Tony Gonzalez is worth more than the entire Chiefs career of whoever they pick at #55.

milkman · 04-12-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Well I'm glad you're having a good time.

What pick at #55 is going to make the Chiefs better than having Tony Gonzalez? is going to make Matt Cassel better?

The drafturbators are quick to give away all-pro caliber players if it means a more thrilling draft weekend.

I, however, would like to see our QB given the luxury of such an outstanding player to help him develop into the pro bowl caliber QB Chiefs fans and GM Scott Pioli envision.

I know Cassel succeeding would be terrible for all of the drafturbating Sanchez fans...

Guys like Jamon Meredith, Paul Kruger, Eric Wood, Jarron Gilbert could all conceivably be there and could be a big part of raising this team to contender status in the next couple of years.

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Why? Coffman's fantastic.

and Tony Gonzalez is an all-pro...and we drafted a TE with a 1st day pick last year...

If we're trading an all-pro TE...we better have confidence in Cottam to be the starter (pick up a cheap #2 blocking TE via free agency/late in the draft/rookie free agent) and we better fill a different need with #55...

If we swap Gonzalez for Coffman it will be an epic fail on Pioli's part.

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's not the question. The question is whether having 1-2 years of Tony Gonzalez is worth more than the entire Chiefs career of whoever they pick at #55.

don't talk to true fans,homers, whatever about any season after this year. on February 28, 2010, Matt Cassel and the rest of the chiefs will melt like ice cream in the sun. there is no next year. we should not be trading away players. in fact we should be trading all our picks Dan Snyder style to load up for our 2009 super bowl run.

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wild1

I think you'd have to catch at least 10 passes in a season before I would consider you the heir apparent to the tight end position.

Why would he catch more than 10 passes when we have Tony Gonzalez? Cottam was drafted to be the future after Gonzalez...

I don't think teams win Super Bowl's by drafting 1st day tight ends every year.

If we trade Gonzalez fine...but if we take a TE with the pick we acquired trading him shoot me in the ****ing face.

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 11:56 AM

A major reason why the Chiefs have been so bad is their repeated misses on guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

You have to get impact players in these rounds, and Carl's ineptness has definitely skewed the perception of some of the overall importance of these draft positions.

dj56dt58 · 04-12-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A contender?

Are you kidding?

Do you actually think that guys like Vrabel, Thomas and yes, Gonzalez are going to be around when this team is truly competitive?

Vrabel and Thomas might have this year left, and Gonzo has said he might play this year and next.

which makes us competitive the next couple years..no?

After that our younger guys have developed and we sign guys/draft guys to take their places. Just like the Pats

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Why would he catch more than 10 passes when we have Tony Gonzalez? Cottam was drafted to be the future after Gonzalez...

I don't think teams win Super Bowl's by drafting 1st day tight ends every year.

If we trade Gonzalez fine...but if we take a TE with the pick we acquired trading him shoot me in the ****ing face.

1. The old, reerun regime drafted him.

2. It was only a third round pick.

3. It's a sunk cost. It doesn't matter when or where he was picked. Either he's the future or he's not.

4. I'm sure you could find plenty of takers for the shooting in the ****ing face

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 12:00 PM

The drafturbators rather see us win 1 game than 10 games...they think the playoffs are pointless without a Super Bowl win...

I don't see why.

Young team...a playoff berth would be awesome. A win would be FANTASTIC. Nothing wrong with winning 10 games this year and continuing to build behind a 26 year old QB and a defense with tons of young talent.

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The Poz Enjoyer of things Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Casino cash: $10012210	Falcons after Gonzalez Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331 The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez. The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds. Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	The drafturbators rather see us win 1 game than 10 games...they think the playoffs are pointless without a Super Bowl win... I don't see why. Young team...a playoff berth would be awesome. A win would be FANTASTIC. Nothing wrong with winning 10 games this year and continuing to build behind a 26 year old QB and a defense with tons of young talent.
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