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Old 07-08-2010, 08:18 PM  
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:50 PM   #7681
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LOL, ok the video is crystal-clear. DC was pushing the towel, no doubt about it. He cleverly set it up on the 2nd attempt by coming out with his own towel as they carried in the UFC towel, held it in front of him, so in the audience's mind its established that its not weird for him to hold something (but of course its weird, he doesn't want clothes on, so why the hell would he hold a towel?), then while holding his towel he grabs the UFC towel and you can see him looking down at the scale pushing, letting off, then pushing again as if he was adjusting to get right on 205. (weighing in at 204.5 would be too suspicious, even though losing 1.2 pounds in a couple minutes is already a red flag)

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Old 04-07-2017, 04:00 PM   #7682
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DC doesn't seem like the confident guy we're used to seeing. I wouldn't be shocked if he lost tomorrow.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:06 PM   #7683
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DC doesn't seem like the confident guy we're used to seeing. I wouldn't be shocked if he lost tomorrow.
The line moved a lot after weigh-in, with many books taking the fight off the board for a while.

Last I checked Cormier was even and Rumble was a -130 small favorite.
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Old 04-08-2017, 09:38 PM   #7684
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All right, fine. I'm a fan now. I won't be mad to see Cynthia Calvillo on a PPV again.
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So Anthony Johnson is retiring.
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That was the weirdest PPV I've ever seen. Co-main was a total cluster****. People are blaming the ref, but honestly the doctors screwed him, it definitely looked like a foul at full speed and the ref was going to restart it.

Before the last fight, Dana was probably hoping Rumble would win. Now he's probably thinking "oh thank God DC won, at least we still have another big fight to sell"
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Old 04-09-2017, 12:11 AM   #7687
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That Weidman/Mousassi thing was bizarre. I don't get why the doctor stopped it. OTOH if Weidman hadn't tried to milk it, the fight would have continued. He was winning too. I was way wrong about DC, Rumble seemed to just not give a ****, why the hell was he pushing the grappling?
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Old 04-09-2017, 01:23 AM   #7688
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That Weidman/Mousassi thing was bizarre. I don't get why the doctor stopped it. OTOH if Weidman hadn't tried to milk it, the fight would have continued. He was winning too. I was way wrong about DC, Rumble seemed to just not give a ****, why the hell was he pushing the grappling?
He simply threw the fight. The dude knew he was going to retire and didn't want to get into a brawl so he turned it into a wresting match.
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The UFC post-fight press conference is a must-watch, compelling beginning to end. Lots of honesty and candid talk, Dana White was steller and ansered a ton of questions, Mousasi's interview was awesome, Rumble and DC both gave great interviews.

Dana White also made it clear that the UFC is going to give Cynthia Calvillo a lot of push, and it makes sense. They tried it with PVZ and its not working out. She's a pretty girl, but she's just OK as a fighter. By contrast, Cynthia has a fantastic jiu-jitsu ground game and is an aggressive pressuring brawler on the feet, so hard-core MMA fans are on board. She's not a model so someone in the UFC probably told her to try to be like some kind of a female Diaz brother and she's playing that angle up.
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That Weidman/Mousassi thing was bizarre. I don't get why the doctor stopped it. OTOH if Weidman hadn't tried to milk it, the fight would have continued. He was winning too. I was way wrong about DC, Rumble seemed to just not give a ****, why the hell was he pushing the grappling?
Its a very complicated, unfortunate situation, there is a lot of understanding and blame on all parties (except Mousasi who is totally blameless but gets all the hate). I have a lot of thoughts on this because its not simple at all.

Just the facts: New York adopted the new rules, so you need two hands (or fingertips) down to be grounded. Mousasi and Weidman are clinched and Weidman is trying to play the hands-down game (even though the new rule is trying to discourage it) and trying to get both hands down. Mousasi launches 2 brutal knees at Weidman's face. In real time at full speed the 1st knee looked iffy and the 2nd knee looked illegal. The referee Dan Miragliotta halted action, called time, announced an illegal knee, put Mousasi in a neutral corner, told Weidman he had 5 minutes and brought in the doctor.

As the doctor is examining Weidman, Miragliotta is talking to John McCarthy outside the cage. Meanwhile on the PPV broadcast, Joe Rogan correctly determines from replay that both knees were legal. It was not reasonable to expect the ref to know they were legal, the 2nd knee looked illegal at real time, but on slo-mo replay you can see Mousasi lifted Weidman up, bringing his fingers off the mat, before the 2nd knee landed. McCarthy also saw the replay and told Miragliotta that the knees were legal.

We're in a gray area now because there is no replay for fouls in new york, but Miragliotta is convinced by the greatest ref in the world that he was wrong, so he decides to try and correct his mistake. He goes to Weidman, tells him hey those knees were legal, so its time to get everyone out and restart the fight. Everything would have been fine except.... at this point, the stupid god damn New York doctors inexplicably decide to **** the poor ref. Even though Weidman says he's OK, and though rocked, he's better off than many fighters who were allowed to continue in prior events, these two inexperienced doctors, in this situation, decide Weidman is done. They insist to Miragliotta that the fight is over. Part of their determination may have been influenced by Weidman taking the time to sit for several minutes, which of course he is gonna do after the ref told him he had time.

At that point, the ref can either insist that the fight was stopped by an illegal knee and call it a no contest, or say the fight was stopped by doctors after a legal blow, in which case it was a TKO. Since he was now convinced the knees were legal and the doctors won't let the fight continue, he has no choice. TKO. It sucks. Mousasi is unfairly boo'd. Weidman is confused and upset, and the ref has to bear the humiliation of Joe Rogan telling the arena he made a mistake. No one really blames the doctors for anything.

Dan Miragliotta: Can't blame him for the stop, it looked illegal to almost everyone in real time. Things break down for him when he's trying to get people to tell him what the replay showed in a state that has no replay. He should have said "nope, I called it illegal, if I'm wrong I'll apologize later, and if the doctors won't let me restart, its a no contest." Unfortunately, once he was convinced he was wrong, then its a TKO if the doctors stop the fight. An appeal would be interesting.

NYSAC Doctors: They ****ed up, hung the poor ref out to dry, and should get most of the blame. Its the co-main of a major event, and the guy they are examining is nowhere near hurt enough to stop the fight given UFC history. But those doctors are not experienced with MMA, the sport is new in the state.

Chris Weidman: None of this would have happened if he didn't play the game. One hand down is no longer good enough, ah-hah, fine I'll put both hands down then, and if I get kneed maybe my opponent loses a point or is disqualified. Except, you are opened up to getting ****ed by the refs and an incompetent AC if it doesn't work out. He should have just fought, we changed the rule to get fighters to stop playing the hands-down game, maybe they'll listen after this. Also, if Weidman would have stayed on his feet, insisted he was fine, and didn't milk the time, the doctors probably would have let it go. But, he was told he was hit by an illegal blow and had 5 minutes, and its his right to take that time. Anyway, Weidman did not deserve to get screwed. At worst, this should have been a no contest, not a loss. And if the doctors were competent, the ref should have been allowed to reset what was to that point a great fight.

Gegard Mousasi: Utterly blameless, he did nothing wrong. He knew what he was doing, he lifted his opponent before throwing the knee. Weidman is playing the game with me, that wont work, eat this, etc.
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The doctor's decision makes a little more sense now. They asked Weidman what day it was, and he gave them some date in February.

If I'm the doctor, I'm like "if you said April 9th instead of April 8th I might let it slide, but you are off by 2 ****ing months."
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The doctor's decision makes a little more sense now. They asked Weidman what day it was, and he gave them some date in February.

If I'm the doctor, I'm like "if you said April 9th instead of April 8th I might let it slide, but you are off by 2 ****ing months."
I guess that makes sense. I guarantee Weidman won't try to play that game again. He was winning the fight too.
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NYSAC just stated that replay is legal in New York, and the ref can consult replay and other refs to change his mind on a foul. Once again, Marc Ratner was wrong. I won't trust him on anything in the rules anymore.

So, Weidman's appeal is probably doomed, this is going to remain a TKO loss.
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