Life If you were me.. - Page 6

Discuss Thrower · 08-03-2013, 06:33 PM

and have the listed options in the poll, what do you do? I already have a bachelor of arts and have been applying to jobs but haven't interviewed for anything since April.. the no interviews thing is a product of applying for jobs that only require a HS diploma and therefore am "overqualified" for. My longest stint of employment is as a freelance sports reporter and have two or three short internships.

I've reached this point because I feel that every month I'm not employed in a legitimate field, the greater the chances I'll never be able to find a job.

Barring a total economic collapse, funding is not an issue.

Even though I'd be discouraged, I won't be surprised if I get lots of CP flaming for this poll. It's only natural but I'd still like to hear opinions from people more experienced than I.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2013, 04:02 PM

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Dane has a six car car-port bud. The weather is nice though.

Discuss Thrower · 08-21-2013, 04:02 PM

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I think you'd find you'll make a shit ton more money on the coasts or even in cities like Dallas and Chicago than in Columbia, MO.

Even factoring in cost of living?

And is your garage comfortable?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2013, 04:03 PM

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Even factoring in cost of living?

Oh hells, yeah.

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And is your garage comfortable?

It will comfortable as soon as you clean it out.

It's a disaster.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2013, 04:08 PM

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Even factoring in cost of living?

Here's thing about becoming a lawyer: There are SO many avenues of the law to explore if you live in a city like Los Angeles, New York, etc.

Real Estate law, entertainment law, copyright law, tax law etc. You can become a sports agent or work as an agent for an entertainment agency, a movie studio, a real estate development firm (large or small) and so on and so forth.

Plus, even if you get a law degree and don't practice law, you're a very attractive candidate for other jobs within varying businesses. Firms of any kind always want intelligent people and a law degree speaks volumes, IMO.

Now granted, most of the lawyers I know and work with are either Ivy Leaguers or guys that went to law schools in SoCal (Southwestern, USC, UCLA, etc.) but as long as you're accepted by a prestigious university and do well, you're pretty much set for life and will always, under any circumstance, be able to find a job.

Discuss Thrower · 08-21-2013, 04:11 PM

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Here's thing about becoming a lawyer: There are SO many avenues of the law to explore if you live in a city like Los Angeles, New York, etc.

Real Estate law, entertainment law, copyright law, tax law etc. You can become a sports agent or work as an agent for an entertainment agency, a movie studio, a real estate development firm (large or small) and so on and so forth.

Plus, even if you get a law degree and don't practice law, you're a very attractive candidate for other jobs within varying businesses.

Now granted, most of the lawyers I know and work with are either Ivy Leaguers or guys that went to law schools in SoCal (Southwestern, USC, UCLA, etc.) but as long as you're accepted by a prestigious university and do well, you're pretty much set for life and will always, under any circumstance, be able to find a job.

See, everyone I know in law has wound up at SLU, UMKC or Washburn which means you have to be the 1% in your class as well as have great connections to make some good money. It was their counsel and my own self-awareness I couldn't score higher than 130 on the LSAT at the contributed to where I am in life now.

Conversely, one of my pledge brothers worked a restaurant during undergrad and then two years after getting a business degree and is studying law in the Ivy League.

Dayze · 08-21-2013, 04:14 PM

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That's what I tell every young kid who asks me what to do with their life

there's no way I could do that. Not saying it's not sage advice etc,

Just personally, man...I can't see how people can do it. I suppose if I were super interested I 'might' be able to. I'm confident I would have failed out of college if I attended. I don't think anything interests me to the extent of dedicating that many hours to it. My brain must be broken.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2013, 04:16 PM

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Conversely, one of my pledge brothers worked a restaurant during undergrad and then two years after getting a business degree and is studying law in the Ivy League.

I have quite a few friends that graduated as undergrads, then went to law school a few years later, after they had saved money.

I have one good friend that took advantage of Paramount's extended schooling program. They paid for any and all schooling, so she worked 40 hours a week and went to night school for seven years and got her law degree. I think she was around 30-31 when she finally earned it and now she's head legal council at a rather large publishing company.

I have another friend that graduated from the University of Miami School of Music, played cruise ships for 4 years, then went to Southwestern University in SoCal. He's now a VP at Warner's.

I have lots and lots of stories like that.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2013, 04:19 PM

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there's no way I could do that. Not saying it's not sage advice etc,

Just personally, man...I can't see how people can do it. I suppose if I were super interested I 'might' be able to. I'm confident I would have failed out of college if I attended. I don't think anything interests me to the extent of dedicating that many hours to it. My brain must be broken.

It depends on your passion.

Most of the people I know had a passion for the field of law in which they wanted to work. So for example, if you're a drummer but not good enough to a be session player or touring sideman but want to work in the music industry, being an entertainment lawyer is the perfect in.

Same goes with any field, really. The problem that I see with young kids is that they don't have a passion for something OR (and this is even more important), they don't know what's actually available to them AS options.

Dayze · 08-21-2013, 04:24 PM

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It depends on your passion.

Most of the people I know had a passion for the field of law in which they wanted to work. So for example, if you're a drummer but not good enough to a be session player or touring sideman but want to work in the music industry, being an entertainment lawyer is the perfect in.

Same goes with any field, really. The problem that I see with young kids is that they don't have a passion for something OR (and this is even more important), they don't know what's actually available to them AS options.

yep. I had a friend many moons ago up and decide he was going to do the law school route; never heard him express any interest in it. He had a hell of a time. Not sure if he even finished it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2013, 04:31 PM

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yep. I had a friend many moons ago up and decide he was going to do the law school route; never heard him express any interest in it. He had a hell of a time. Not sure if he even finished it.

Yeah, I get it. It's tough if it's not something you want. I've got a friend who is fourth generation Georgetown law grad and the day his son was born, he was estimating the cost of his son's law education in 18 years. I have another friend that's a Georgetown undergrad with a medical degree from UCLA that's a ridiculously successful doctor (and owns a badass Ferrari) and her two daughters, ages 7 & 9, are both planning to go to med school.

Parental guidance and advice is 90% of the battle. If people can't show you an example, it's often a very difficult concept for people to otherwise accept.

Dayze · 08-21-2013, 04:32 PM

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Yeah, I get it. It's tough if it's not something you want. I've got a friend who is fourth generation Georgetown law grad and the day his son was born, he was estimating the cost of his son's law education in 18 years. I have another friend that's a Georgetown undergrad with a medical degree from UCLA that's a ridiculously successful doctor (and owns a badass Ferrari) and her two daughters, ages 7 & 9, are both planning to go to med school.

Parental guidance and advice is 90% of the battle. If people can't show you an example, it's often a very difficult concept for people to otherwise accept.

That's a good point there.

**New World Order** · 08-21-2013, 04:44 PM

Companies always need salesmen. Why not apply for inside sales positions and then obtain your MBA? Rockhurst has a program and KU is right around the corner.

**New World Order** · 08-21-2013, 04:49 PM

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Here's thing about becoming a lawyer: There are SO many avenues of the law to explore if you live in a city like Los Angeles, New York, etc.

Real Estate law, entertainment law, copyright law, tax law etc. You can become a sports agent or work as an agent for an entertainment agency, a movie studio, a real estate development firm (large or small) and so on and so forth.

Plus, even if you get a law degree and don't practice law, you're a very attractive candidate for other jobs within varying businesses. Firms of any kind always want intelligent people and a law degree speaks volumes, IMO.

Now granted, most of the lawyers I know and work with are either Ivy Leaguers or guys that went to law schools in SoCal (Southwestern, USC, UCLA, etc.) but as long as you're accepted by a prestigious university and do well, you're pretty much set for life and will always, under any circumstance, be able to find a job.

Dane,

How important are grades when you graduate law school? I applied a few years ago and was accepted into KU, UMKC and MU law school but I never attended. I never could really figure out if law school was worth the cost, or if I should just get my mba and go that route.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2013, 04:53 PM

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Dane,

How important are grades when you graduate law school? I applied a few years ago and was accepted into KU, UMKC and MU law school but I never attended. I never could really figure out if law school was worth the cost, or if I should just get my mba and go that route.

They're obviously very important. If you want to pass the bar and practice law at a great firm, a 3.5 or above is nearly mandatory. I had a friend that after a decade of trying to figure out what to do, got a law degree at the University of Texas.

Her first job, which she got before she even graduated, started $250k in Manhattan. She got a 3.9, IIRC.

Discuss Thrower · 08-21-2013, 04:56 PM

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They're obviously very important. If you want to pass the bar and practice law at a great firm, a 3.5 or above is nearly mandatory. I had a friend that after a decade of trying to figure out what to do, got a law degree at the University of Texas.

Her first job, which she got before she even graduated, started $250k in Manhattan. She got a 3.9, IIRC.

Better than 3.5 AND on campus involvement AND multiple internships AND work on the side will get you a lot of places.

I have none of those.

View Poll Results: What would you do if you were me?
Enroll in Computer Info Systems program which might take 2-3 years to complete and receive a Bach Scienec	11	17.19%
Take semester off and apply for masters' program in something like tech writing or other field I could be qualified for	13	20.31%
Withdraw from college and wait and see if I get the job which might force me to relocate to Southeast Mo	3	4.69%
Withdraw from college and apply for jobs through a temp agency	5	7.81%
Chase dreams of making it big in Hollywood and live in Dane's garage	32	50.00%
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