If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Pasta Little Brioni]

50 turnovers had ALOT to do with giving up that many points. It was ridiculous.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

you are up and at em early this morning.

It's never to early for a Lil Mac ass kicking.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

This here says a lot. Him and Cassel both just had success from handing the ball off and letting the run game take over.


Andy Reid wants a passing attack game plane and he brings in a guy that doesn't do well if he has to pass more than 25 times a game and is a basic game manager. Contradicts everything Andy Reid wants and preaches he will do.

It's weird that Andy Reid isn't smart enough to see that himself. If only we could get him in touch with you we might be able to avoid a disaster.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PGM

50 turnovers had ALOT to do with giving up that many points. It was ridiculous.

Agreed. However, if Alice is asked to throw 35 times a game you are still going to see a lot of turnovers. Charles is also a fumbler. That's just the yin and yang of him.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Well, both of those things are the big mystery and you are making huge leaps there. One our defense gave up 26PPG last year and two Andy Reid has a long documented history of throwing the ball quite often. We should have our answer to both of those within a few weeks of the season starting.

Im asking, and not antagonizing, thats a fore word. How much of that had to do with the fact that your qbs turned the ball over 37 times? And, a passive defensive style. I only know this about the style of defense you ran, because as you know by the avatar, i have seen a romeo crennel defense before......

[Mav]

Originally Posted by PGM

CPers accuse their wife of banging the mailman....until she finally gets pissed at the accusations and is banging the mailman.

valid

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by patteeu

It's weird that Andy Reid isn't smart enough to see that himself. If only we could get him in touch with you we might be able to avoid a disaster.

If he wants my opinion I'd be happy to give it to him.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Agreed. However, if Alice is asked to throw 35 times a game you are still going to see a lot of turnovers. Charles is also a fumbler. That's just the yin and yang of him.

Lol, being a fair and unbiased homer. More than likely, you will see about 95 sacks......

He just doesnt force the issue......Charles is a fumbler, and Kniles davis is a fumbling injury prone mash unit. Perfect pair.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

you know, you have a fair point. Did you happen to see the 49ers Saints game. Please feel free to tell me that Alex Smith played no part in that game.....

Also, that season he led the league in 4th qtr comebacks. But alas, he had zero to do with the 49ers success....ZERO.

Now, the above was severe sarcasm, that being said, no one is stupid enough to think that Alex Smith was the whole reason the 49ers won.

But to think that his 5 interceptions, the fact that he pre installed that offense during the lockout, while NOT being under contract, and his leadership with a brand new coaching staff, helped. That was a 6-10 roster the season before. The lockout, new coaching staff all the way around. Tell me honestly that Alexs leadership didnt contribute something positive to that 49ers team

I DID watch the 49ers/Saints game. I didn't see Alex Smith do anything to that fairly bad Saints defense that any decent QB wasn't capable of. In fact, his numbers in that playoff game track basically exactly with the AVERAGE performance by QBs against the Saints that year. Around a half-dozen QBs found much more success against the Saints.

Alex is a great guy. I won't argue that. His teammates like him. I won't argue that. He's smart. I won't argue that. He limits turnovers and doesn't make mistakes. I won't argue that.

The only things I'll argue are very simple:

1) He's at his best when throwing a limited number of times per game. Until he proves otherwise, expecting him to throw more and get the same results as under Harbaugh's system is based on hope and faith).

2) He's not an elite quarterback capable of being THE difference maker in a playoff run. He needs a GREAT team around him to do so, including an elite defense.

3) KC has a coach whose history says (1) is not going to be an option, and a roster that suggests (2) is still at least a few years off.

4) The Chiefs gave up too much for a QB with limited upside, and by giving up too much severely hampered their ability to find a QB with that upside in the 2013 or 2014 drafts. It's harder to walk away from a guy you gave up two first round picks for (And had your owner running around talking up in the media). If Smith doesn't work out and they walk away from him in one year or even at the end of two years without significant success, that burns a lot of public trust.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Who is the hell is miserable? How does pointing out dumbass moves miserable? I'm sorry some of us are able to stay objective rather than just swallowing whatever shit the Chiefs shove down our throats. This franchise has been a flaming ball of fail for quite some time now so I fail to see how anyone can thing every move they make is beyond criticism.

Taking the wait and see approach is how you end up with 4 years of Scott ****ing *****.

This isn't some unproven coffee fetching dumbass Pioli bitch. The man running this team is 11th in all-time playoff wins, only has 3 losing seasons in his 14 years coaching and is known as an elite QB coach.

He's proven shit in this league for more than a decade. He has earned a wait and see approach.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

Im asking, and not antagonizing, thats a fore word. How much of that had to do with the fact that your qbs turned the ball over 37 times? And, a passive defensive style. I only know this about the style of defense you ran, because as you know by the avatar, i have seen a romeo crennel defense before......

Sure it had to do with turnovers at the QB position and I think with Andy Reid as coach and a weaker defense than what Alex Smith is used to we are still going to turn the ball over quite a bit. I really don't see us going to 3 yards and a cloud of dust football that protects Alex and the defense.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I DID watch the 49ers/Saints game. I didn't see Alex Smith do anything to that fairly bad Saints defense that any decent QB wasn't capable of. In fact, his numbers in that playoff game track basically exactly with the AVERAGE performance by QBs against the Saints that year. Around a half-dozen QBs found much more success against the Saints.

Alex is a great guy. I won't argue that. His teammates like him. I won't argue that. He's smart. I won't argue that. He limits turnovers and doesn't make mistakes. I won't argue that.

The only things I'll argue are very simple:

1) He's at his best when throwing a limited number of times per game. Until he proves otherwise, expecting him to throw more and get the same results as under Harbaugh's system is based on hope and faith).

2) He's not an elite quarterback capable of being THE difference maker in a playoff run. He needs a GREAT team around him to do so, including an elite defense.

3) KC has a coach whose history says (1) is not going to be an option, and a roster that suggests (2) is still at least a few years off.

4) The Chiefs gave up too much for a QB with limited upside, and by giving up too much severely hampered their ability to find a QB with that upside in the 2013 or 2014 drafts. It's harder to walk away from a guy you gave up two first round picks for (And had your owner running around talking up in the media). If Smith doesn't work out and they walk away from him in one year or even at the end of two years without significant success, that burns a lot of public trust.

Everything you said is true. Every single bit of it. And when i refer to the Saints game, you can diminish what he did, but no one thought he was going to lead them, and yes LEAD, and i use that term LEAD when it comes to alex smith on the field very SELDOMELY, but no one thought he could lead them down to score once, much less TWICE, and yes, he led them twice. Thats all i was saying.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This isn't some unproven coffee fetching dumbass ***** bitch. The man running this team is 11th in all-time playoff wins, only has 3 losing seasons in his 14 years coaching and is known as an elite QB coach.

He's proven shit in this league for more than a decade. He has earned a wait and see approach.

Wrong. Scott ***** was the exectutive of the ****ing decade. That's 10 years of him being an alleged bad ass and he ****ed it up right off the bat. Andy isn't coming off his best years so he needs to earn the benefit of the doubt with this fan base, although their are dumbasses that will just use he old "he does this shit for a living line".

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sure it had to do with turnovers at the QB position and I think with Andy Reid as coach and a weaker defense than what Alex Smith is used to we are still going to turn the ball over quite a bit. I really don't see us going to 3 yards and a cloud of dust football that protects Alex and the defense.

We will have to see i suppose. I dont think that your defense is going to be nearly as bad as some do. But thats because I really respect the jets system that your new d coordinator comes from, i also have a lot of respect for Hali, and Houston......

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Wrong. Scott ***** was the exectutive of the ****ing decade. That's 10 years of him being an alleged bad ass and he ****ed it up right off the bat. Andy isn't coming off his best years so he needs to earn the benefit of the doubt with this fan base, although their are dumbasses that will just use he old "he does this shit for a living line".

So Scott Pioli was your Phil Savage. The almighty savior....bleh.