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DaWolf · 11-16-2009, 11:30 PM

Chiefs coach Haley finding out it’s not easy making the decisions

During his 12 years as an assistant coach, the critical game decisions that a head coach has to make always looked simple to Todd Haley.

“When I was an assistant,” Haley said Monday, “I had all the answers.”

Those answers are proving more elusive to Haley in his first year as the Chiefs’ head coach. Many of his game decisions have been puzzling, and not merely because they haven’t worked out in Kansas City’s favor.

“It’s difficult,” Haley acknowledged. “Ultimately, you’re responsible for how they all turn out.”

The latest examples of Haley’s questionable game management came in Sunday’s 16-10 win over the Raiders in Oakland. With the Chiefs in easy field-goal range for kicker Ryan Succop, Haley ordered the Chiefs to try and convert on fourth and 1 in the third quarter and with a three-point lead.

The play failed when quarterback Matt Cassel threw an incomplete pass. The three points they didn’t get from a field-goal attempt could have come in handy against a low-scoring team like the Raiders.

All head coaches wrestle with such decisions. New England’s Bill Belichick was roundly criticized for having the Patriots try to convert on fourth and 2 in their end of the field late in Sunday’s game against Indianapolis rather than punt and make the Colts go the long field for a game-winning touchdown.

The Patriots failed to convert, and the Colts won after taking possession with favorable field position. (Story, B3.)

But Belichick has three Super Bowl wins on his head coaching résumé. Haley is still trying to find his way, and this part of his coaching game is — to use a term he favors in many situations — a work in progress.

“I’m learning, and those decisions until you’re actually the guy having to make those decisions on a game basis … you learn through experience,” he said.

Haley said he was most upset about his decision to have Succop try a 52-yard field goal in the third quarter. Succop missed the kick, and the Raiders used the favorable field position to try a field goal of their own.

That one missed, so the Chiefs lost nothing. But Haley is still haunted by it.

“I was on the walkie-talkie deal telling the (assistant) coaches, ‘Why didn’t somebody tell me to punt?’ ” Haley said. “That was the one that I should have thought out a little clearer. We had a chance to change field position or keep field position in our favor. If we could have pinned them there and got the ball back in good field position, then we could have really turned the game.”

Haley said he relies on some of the assistant coaches for advice when making critical decisions. But sideline squabbles between Haley and his assistants have been common this season, the latest being a profanity-laced shouting match with running-backs coach Maurice Carthon on Sunday.

Those quarrels suggest the assistants may not be comfortable disagreeing with Haley and telling him things he doesn’t want to hear, though Haley disagreed.

“Yeah, especially some of them,” Haley said. “(Carthon) is the most important guy I have, no disrespect to anyone else, and somebody I’ve looked up to from the first day we’ve ever been around each other. We’re friends, and we’ve worked together a bunch. We’re both emotional and passionate guys.”

Before coming to the Chiefs, Haley worked as an assistant with several of the coaches on his current staff, including Carthon, defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast and special-teams coach Steve Hoffman, plus position coaches Gary Gibbs (linebackers) and Bill Muir (offensive line).

One feature that his staff lacks, though, is a former NFL head coach to advise him through such decisions. Chan Gailey was the head coach for the Cowboys for two seasons in the late 1990s, but he was fired by Haley during the preseason.

As things stand now, among Haley’s staff only Gibbs has head coaching experience, that coming in college at Oklahoma more than a decade ago.

“I don’t think that’s a necessity,” Haley said. “I think it’s a luxury or a bonus if you have it. There are enough guys on our staff that I really, really rely on and respect their thoughts in all of those situations.”

CaliforniaChief · 11-16-2009, 11:35 PM

Having an OC he can trust to call the plays would free him up to focus on some of these game strategy decisions that have cost or nearly cost us this season.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2009, 03:16 AM

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"I was on the walkie-talkie deal telling the (assistant) coaches, ‘Why didn’t somebody tell me to punt?’ ” Haley said.

Cause I likes having a job, Boss?

Blick · 11-17-2009, 04:08 AM

Did I catch a niner in there? Were ya calling from a walkie talkie?

**Rausch** · 11-17-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Cause I likes having a job, Boss?

Exactly.

Someone would tell him to punt and he'd scream "**** YOU! GO WASH WITH FIRE!"

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Exactly.

Someone would tell him to punt and he'd scream "**** YOU! GO WASH WITH FIRE!"

What's really bad, is that he framed that statement within the context of strategy and game management.

Uh, coach? That's YOUR job.

Rooster · 11-17-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Cause I likes having a job, Boss?

I would say that's the reason right there.

Marco Polo · 11-17-2009, 08:57 AM

His ego is out of control!!!!! /jwhit

**jAZ** · 11-17-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

“When I was an assistant,” Haley said Monday, “I had all the answers.”

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“It’s difficult,” Haley acknowledged. “Ultimately, you’re responsible for how they all turn out.”

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“I’m learning, and those decisions until you’re actually the guy having to make those decisions on a game basis … you learn through experience,” he said.

Massive. Ego.

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2009, 09:15 AM

Haley would do himself a bit of a favor to tempor his talk about the overwhelming nature of the job.

At a certain point, it stops being humanizing and starts to raise questions about his aptitude for the position.

Right now, he's trying to do way too ****ing much, and it shows. Would have been nice if a GM would have prevented this mess before it started...

**Rausch** · 11-17-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would have been nice if a GM would have prevented this mess before it started...

THIS...

milkman · 11-17-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Haley would do himself a bit of a favor to tempor his talk about the overwhelming nature of the job.

At a certain point, it stops being humanizing and starts to raise questions about his aptitude for the position.

Right now, he's trying to do way too ****ing much, and it shows. Would have been nice if a GM would have prevented this mess before it started...

It would have been nice if Clark Hunt had stayed out of the way and let his hand picked GM and the HC make all the decisions on staff without interference, especailly at the OC and DC spots, so that we could have avoided this cluster****.

It also would have been nice if Hunt hadn't dragged his feet on getting the guy he wanted at GM, so that decisions could have been made more quickly and we hadn't been stuck with the leftovers.

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It would have been nice if Clark Hunt had stayed out of the way and let his hand picked GM and the HC make all the decisions on staff without interference, especailly at the OC and DC spots, so that we could have avoided this cluster****.

It also would have been nice if Hunt hadn't dragged his feet on getting the guy he wanted at GM, so that decisions could have been made more quickly and we hadn't been stuck with the leftovers.

I agree, but it's easier to act on a local level, if that makes sense. In other words, Pioli can't do much about Clark being a ****ing dumbass, but the Executive of the Century can prevent his n00b HC from compounding the problems.

milkman · 11-17-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree, but it's easier to act on a local level, if that makes sense. In other words, Pioli can't do much about Clark being a ****ing dumbass, but the Executive of the Century can prevent his n00b HC from compounding the problems.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I don't buy into teh argument that we are better in the long run with the decision to reassign Gailey and get Haley's offense implemented now.

This team, regardless of coaching, in the best of circumstances isn't going to be ready to compete before '11.

Implementing a new system in OTAs and TC going into next season with a new OC who shares the same philosophy as Haley would have been far more productive than making the change just before the season this year.

**Rausch** · 11-17-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yeah, I agree with that.

I don't buy into teh argument that we are better in the long run with the decision to reassign Gailey and get Haley's offense implemented now.

This team, regardless of coaching, in the best of circumstances isn't going to be ready to compete before '11.

It doesn't take 3 years to rebuild a team.

It just doesn't. If you know WTF you're doing and you're willing to adapt to the talent you already have it can move upward quick.

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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Teicher: Chiefs coach Haley finding out it’s not easy making the decisions... Chiefs coach Haley finding out it’s not easy making the decisions During his 12 years as an assistant coach, the critical game decisions that a head coach has to make always looked simple to Todd Haley. “When I was an assistant,” Haley said Monday, “I had all the answers.” Those answers are proving more elusive to Haley in his first year as the Chiefs’ head coach. Many of his game decisions have been puzzling, and not merely because they haven’t worked out in Kansas City’s favor. “It’s difficult,” Haley acknowledged. “Ultimately, you’re responsible for how they all turn out.” The latest examples of Haley’s questionable game management came in Sunday’s 16-10 win over the Raiders in Oakland. With the Chiefs in easy field-goal range for kicker Ryan Succop, Haley ordered the Chiefs to try and convert on fourth and 1 in the third quarter and with a three-point lead. The play failed when quarterback Matt Cassel threw an incomplete pass. The three points they didn’t get from a field-goal attempt could have come in handy against a low-scoring team like the Raiders. All head coaches wrestle with such decisions. New England’s Bill Belichick was roundly criticized for having the Patriots try to convert on fourth and 2 in their end of the field late in Sunday’s game against Indianapolis rather than punt and make the Colts go the long field for a game-winning touchdown. The Patriots failed to convert, and the Colts won after taking possession with favorable field position. (Story, B3.) But Belichick has three Super Bowl wins on his head coaching résumé. Haley is still trying to find his way, and this part of his coaching game is — to use a term he favors in many situations — a work in progress. “I’m learning, and those decisions until you’re actually the guy having to make those decisions on a game basis … you learn through experience,” he said. Haley said he was most upset about his decision to have Succop try a 52-yard field goal in the third quarter. Succop missed the kick, and the Raiders used the favorable field position to try a field goal of their own. That one missed, so the Chiefs lost nothing. But Haley is still haunted by it. “I was on the walkie-talkie deal telling the (assistant) coaches, ‘Why didn’t somebody tell me to punt?’ ” Haley said. “That was the one that I should have thought out a little clearer. We had a chance to change field position or keep field position in our favor. If we could have pinned them there and got the ball back in good field position, then we could have really turned the game.” Haley said he relies on some of the assistant coaches for advice when making critical decisions. But sideline squabbles between Haley and his assistants have been common this season, the latest being a profanity-laced shouting match with running-backs coach Maurice Carthon on Sunday. Those quarrels suggest the assistants may not be comfortable disagreeing with Haley and telling him things he doesn’t want to hear, though Haley disagreed. “Yeah, especially some of them,” Haley said. “(Carthon) is the most important guy I have, no disrespect to anyone else, and somebody I’ve looked up to from the first day we’ve ever been around each other. We’re friends, and we’ve worked together a bunch. We’re both emotional and passionate guys.” Before coming to the Chiefs, Haley worked as an assistant with several of the coaches on his current staff, including Carthon, defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast and special-teams coach Steve Hoffman, plus position coaches Gary Gibbs (linebackers) and Bill Muir (offensive line). One feature that his staff lacks, though, is a former NFL head coach to advise him through such decisions. Chan Gailey was the head coach for the Cowboys for two seasons in the late 1990s, but he was fired by Haley during the preseason. As things stand now, among Haley’s staff only Gibbs has head coaching experience, that coming in college at Oklahoma more than a decade ago. “I don’t think that’s a necessity,” Haley said. “I think it’s a luxury or a bonus if you have it. There are enough guys on our staff that I really, really rely on and respect their thoughts in all of those situations.”
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