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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:55 PM   #781
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:55 PM   #782
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Yeah, the game hasn't changed at all in the last decade+

Who's next, Terry Bradshaw?
So you don't think Gannon could win in the modern NFL?

It's a fair argument, I guess. I'm not sure I buy it, but then again Kaepernick and RGIII are trying to play similarly haphazard styles with little success at the moment, so maybe there's some truth to it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:56 PM   #784
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The odds of any QB winning the Super Bowl isn't good
True, but I bet Vegas gives some better odds than others.
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What could Rich Gannon do that Alex Smith can't?

If Rich Gannon could go to a Super Bowl (and damn near another one), Alex Smith can as well. Gannon was extremely similar in style and ability to Alex Smith.

And Gannon drove those Raiders teams, though yes - he required a strong supporting cast.

I'm one that happens to think Gannon has become wildly overrated around here, but at the same time, the guy was a critical cog for a SB team and won plenty of playoff games.

I see nothing to suggest that Smith couldn't be very similar to Gannon in that regard.
They maybe similar in style but can't we all agree the NFL has changed into basically the CFL? Passing records are going to be shattered this year. This is a completely different league than 10-12 years ago.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:57 PM   #786
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probably the most blatant ****ing ever

he was also not known for being afraid to let it fly


part of it is context, the league is currently designed to advantage passing...but we're trying to do it without taking advantage of that advantage...which is just upping the degree of difficulty for no good reason
This advantage is a little overblown. And San Francisco and Philly are interesting case studies. Because we're seeing two teams that arguably are putting their defense in losing positions.

There's still a lot to be said for the Eli Manning way. I would actually rather play football like the Giants than the Packers or Saints. The Giants are at their best when they can run the ball down your throat and play good defense, while their QB plays a mostly efficient game. What sets Eli apart from Alex Smith so far is that he can make risky plays when asked to, and has been absolute nails in the clutch. But if we keep with this game management style of play, get some big plays out of Smith here and there, and Smith can consistently play 4th quarters like he did against Philly... I mean, really, is that any worse than Aaron Rodgers (a QB who frankly is pretty so-so in late 4th quarters?)
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:58 PM   #788
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Gannon, Johnson, Dilfer won and made Super Bowls mainly because the 90s were a horrible decade for drafting quarterbacks. Not that many were taken from 1993 to 1997 in the first round.
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it is telling that the best we can do is compare him to dilfer and gannon...for 2 sceond round picks
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Oh, come on.

Do you really believe that Alex Smith would be anyone's first choice as a starting QB?
Holy shit, did you really just say this?

Maybe I'm imagining things, but people who worship at the altar of mediocrity spent all summer saying that AS was their first choice, because "there was no one better".

People were more worried about getting the fans back to Arrowhead, and wanted to win now, instead of developing a guy for the future.

Now you have that guy, and you claim that he was NOBODY'S first choice?

Holy shit.
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This thread has just killed my entire afternoon.

**** you all.

Assholes.
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alright, hug it out everyone

we are bonded by failure

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it is telling that the best we can do is compare him to dilfer and gannon...for 2 sceond round picks
A super bowl champion and a MVP. What a loser.
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it is telling that the best we can do is compare him to dilfer and gannon...for 2 sceond round picks
ugh..so depressing.

Oh well maybe one of these years Clark will keep his word
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