Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 483

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

C3HIEF3S · 07-18-2013, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Getz was hitting .313 at Omaha. How can you keep that kind of bat down there?

Don't forget about the grit!

SPchief · 07-18-2013, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Getz was hitting .313 at Omaha. How can you keep that kind of bat down there?

With an impressive .313 OBP!

Rany is obliterating the Royals right now.

Deberg_1990 · 07-18-2013, 04:43 PM

Well.......bye Dayton

siberian khatru · 07-18-2013, 04:45 PM

You know, if they had sent Gio down so as to play Ciriaco at 2B, it still would've been stupid based on Gio's 38 PA's. But at least they would be turning toward someone new.

But Getz? GETZ?

Mr. Laz · 07-18-2013, 04:55 PM

So then just cut Gio?

if they are doing this then they must be just done with him.

no future with Getz

Deberg_1990 · 07-18-2013, 04:58 PM

Getz has pics of Dayton or Glass....right?

It has to be....

tk13 · 07-18-2013, 05:04 PM

This is just rearranging deck chairs and they didn't even give Gio a chance this time... but at the same time I think the reaction is more anti-Getz than anything. I don't think Gio has done anything at any level to really prove he's any better than Getz. Which is strange because Gio has been decent at taking walks in the minors... at the major league level he's been worse than Francoeur. It's like he's a different player.

tk13 · 07-18-2013, 05:06 PM

By the way, if you really want to gouge your eyes out, there's a one hour special about Hawk Harrelson on MLB Network right now.

Al Bundy · 07-18-2013, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

This is just rearranging deck chairs and they didn't even give Gio a chance this time... but at the same time I think the reaction is more anti-Getz than anything. I don't think Gio has done anything at any level to really prove he's any better than Getz. Which is strange because Gio has been decent at taking walks in the minors... at the major league level he's been worse than Francoeur. It's like he's a different player.

It's like he knows he has 10 games to prove he is George Brett or he will be sent down so some sack of shit no talent ****wad can steal at bats and not play defense.

tk13 · 07-18-2013, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

It's like he knows he has 10 games to prove he is George Brett or he will be sent down so some sack of shit no talent ****wad can steal at bats and not play defense.

I don't have the stats up so I might be slightly off, but he's played about 50 games each of the last couple years. I agree it's not a massive sample size. I'm not saying this is a good move. But he's played about 100 games at the MLB level and hasn't shown he's anything more than a younger Getz with slightly more power and less walks.

Ceej · 07-18-2013, 05:11 PM

Maybe being the Marlins doesn't look so bad now.

Deberg_1990 · 07-18-2013, 05:12 PM

I'll say this.....if the Royals are having problems developing Moose, Hosmer and other top picks, what makes anyone think they could develop Gio?

Al Bundy · 07-18-2013, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't have the stats up so I might be slightly off, but he's played about 50 games each of the last couple years. I agree it's not a massive sample size. I'm not saying this is a good move. But he's played about 100 games at the MLB level and hasn't shown he's anything more than a younger Getz with slightly more power and less walks.

None of that matters... Getz is Daytons boy. Getz is a lifelong Royal now. He will be the starting second baseman as long as DM is the GM. Today's move proves it.

tk13 · 07-18-2013, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I'll say this.....if the Royals are having problems developing Moose, Hosmer and other top picks, what makes anyone think they could develop Gio?

Gio just turned 26... he's a little bit older than those other guys. So he may just been entering his prime, but he is probably running out of time here.

Ceej · 07-18-2013, 05:24 PM

At least Getzy has cool walk-up music.

:/

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Well.......bye Dayton __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2574950	You know, if they had sent Gio down so as to play Ciriaco at 2B, it still would've been stupid based on Gio's 38 PA's. But at least they would be turning toward someone new. But Getz? GETZ?
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07-18-2013, 04:55 PM	#7235
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	So then just cut Gio? if they are doing this then they must be just done with him. no future with Getz __________________
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07-18-2013, 04:58 PM	#7236
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Getz has pics of Dayton or Glass....right? It has to be.... __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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07-18-2013, 05:04 PM	#7237
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2012500	This is just rearranging deck chairs and they didn't even give Gio a chance this time... but at the same time I think the reaction is more anti-Getz than anything. I don't think Gio has done anything at any level to really prove he's any better than Getz. Which is strange because Gio has been decent at taking walks in the minors... at the major league level he's been worse than Francoeur. It's like he's a different player.
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07-18-2013, 05:06 PM	#7238
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2012500	By the way, if you really want to gouge your eyes out, there's a one hour special about Hawk Harrelson on MLB Network right now.
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07-18-2013, 05:12 PM	#7242
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	I'll say this.....if the Royals are having problems developing Moose, Hosmer and other top picks, what makes anyone think they could develop Gio? __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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07-18-2013, 05:24 PM	#7245
Ceej BOOM!1! Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $9495541	At least Getzy has cool walk-up music. :/
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