Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 384

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Coach · 06-12-2013, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

Got a hell of a pitching staff going this year. Who gets the credit for that?

The pitching coach.

Chiefspants · 06-12-2013, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

No, I probably target trading some prospects not named Ventura for a bat.

Ventura is on the table, even, if you can get a young position player back with at least 3 years of control left, who is fairly established.

I think the Royals need Santana to make that playoff push.

Out of curiosity, if the starting pitching looks like this in late July, who from the pen is expendable at the trading deadline and who would be the odd men out?

Starters:
Shields
Santana
Guthrie
Duffy
Paulino/Davis/Mendoza

Fansy the Famous Bard · 06-12-2013, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

Got a hell of a pitching staff going this year. Who gets the credit for that?

Al Nipper

Fansy the Famous Bard · 06-12-2013, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Out of curiosity, if the starting pitching looks like this in late July, who from the pen is expendable at the trading deadline and who would be the odd men out?

Starters:
Shields
Santana
Guthrie
Duffy
Paulino/Davis/Mendoza

I would bet there is a good possibility one or more of our starters gets injured in some capacity... solving that "problem" for us.

stonedstooge · 06-12-2013, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Out of curiosity, if the starting pitching looks like this in late July, who from the pen is expendable at the trading deadline and who would be the odd men out?

Starters:
Shields
Santana
Guthrie
Duffy
Paulino/Davis/Mendoza

Right now we have the option to work them back in at a pace best suited for their rehab. Hope it stays that way

**chefsos** · 06-12-2013, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

Man it's been so long, I don't even remember what it's like.

It'll be incredible. There is nothing in sports that compares to the every day, constant buzz of a pennant race. Nothing.

stonedstooge · 06-12-2013, 08:14 PM

Can't help but think Salvy has something to do with how the pitching staff's going. When he was gone was when they didn't perform as well

**DeezNutz** · 06-12-2013, 08:27 PM

This run has been very encouraging for fans, and I'm thrilled that we're not buried in June. That said, **** DM MUST find another bat.

Runs are still so few and far between that I have a real hard time seeing this winning streak as sustainable. At some point, one would think that the pitching will not remain this excellent. When it normalizes a bit, with this offense...yeah.

Must. Find. Bat.

And I'm about to purchase a plane ticket to Omaha for Moose, much like Whitlock offered to do for Bono and Elliot back in the day.

Sure-Oz · 06-12-2013, 08:28 PM

Should the Royals take a flier? why not

Eric Young Jr. designated for assignment

Rockies designated OF Eric Young Jr. for assignment.
Young is batting just .242/.290/.352 this season, and the Rockies haven't been happy about his defense in the outfield. Still, he batted .316/.377/.448 last year, has tons of speed and can also play second base, so he'll surely draw interest on waivers.

siberian khatru · 06-12-2013, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Should the Royals take a flier? why not

Eric Young Jr. designated for assignment

Rockies designated OF Eric Young Jr. for assignment.
Young is batting just .242/.290/.352 this season, and the Rockies haven't been happy about his defense in the outfield. Still, he batted .316/.377/.448 last year, has tons of speed and can also play second base, so he'll surely draw interest on waivers.

Career away from Coors: .211/.290/.286

Chiefspants · 06-12-2013, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Career away from Coors: .211/.290/.286

A career OBP above his career SLG?

Those are Getzian numbers if I've ever seen them.

duncan_idaho · 06-12-2013, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Out of curiosity, if the starting pitching looks like this in late July, who from the pen is expendable at the trading deadline and who would be the odd men out?

Starters:
Shields
Santana
Guthrie
Duffy
Paulino/Davis/Mendoza

Assuming Duffy and Paulino are pitching at equivalent levels or thereabouts?

I send Duffy down to Omaha and save some service time. Paulino to the rotation. Mendoza to the rotation. Davis back to the pen. JC Gutierrez DFefffingA.

Sure-Oz · 06-12-2013, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Career away from Coors: .211/.290/.286

That's an improvement to Getz, am i right?

duncan_idaho · 06-12-2013, 08:45 PM

Eric Young fits one of Dayton Moore's favorite baseball tropes: the LFBG OF.

(that's lightning-fast black guy).

Wouldn't surprise me to see them take a flyer on him, and what's the harm?

Sure-Oz · 06-12-2013, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Eric Young fits one of Dayton Moore's favorite baseball tropes: the LFBG OF.

(that's lightning-fast black guy).

Wouldn't surprise me to see them take a flyer on him, and what's the harm?

I'd rather have him at 2b

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1870308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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