Passing in the redzone is why Saunders should never be HC - Page 3

**The Bad Guy** · 12-11-2005, 04:39 PM

LJ is tearing up the Cowboys and he decides to throw the ball twice in a row when the Cowboys would have used timeouts to stop the clock?

I don't care about how many yards this offense has put up, his desire to be too cute is the reason he should never be the HC of this team.

ck_IN · 12-12-2005, 10:32 AM

I think in some way this sort of thing is ego stroking by either DV or AS. Calling a run sweep or inside trap isn't imaginative and won't get you game calling kudos on ESPN. All it does is likely result in a score.

Calling some kind of razzle dazzle pass play has the potential to make people step back and say 'wow, who called that?!'.

We've morphed into a smash mouth team with LJ and Roaf but AS/DV don't want to admit it.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-12-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Yeah, lets criticize and blame the loss on the guy who was able to move the ball up and down the field all day and put 28 points on the road against a tough defense.

I can't wait until KC fans ride Saunders out of town and spend the next few years griping about dozens of plays a game when the Chiefs have the 20th ranked offense in the NFL.

I'm not blaming him for the loss.

I'm blaming his inability to call the right play when the time calls for it.

Running the ball would have been the right thing to do with a minute left and in the redzone.

RickObie · 12-12-2005, 11:34 AM

Granted hindsight is always 20/20 but my question is why take the timeout with about a 1:22 left then pass the ball. It's horrible clock management.

Even if you score you leave Dallas a minute to do something with the ball.

I thought they took the timeout to give us a chance to run a time or two.

Easy to complain after the fact, it they score and stop the CBoys we're singing a different tune.

**Saulbadguy** · 12-12-2005, 02:18 PM

Playcalling. It is great when it works, it is dumb when it does not work.

Totally subjective.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-12-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Playcalling. It is great when it works, it is dumb when it does not work.

Totally subjective.

It's clock-management and that's not subjective.

Why throw the ball to score fast and give them the ball with a minute left, two timeouts?

It makes no sense.

tk13 · 12-12-2005, 02:27 PM

I did not like the timeout. Did not have a problem with calling a pass though. We shredded them through the air, it's not like they were shutting down our passing game either. I don't even think it was Al being cute, just mixing it up and continuing to keep them off balance.

Playcalling is subjective, people don't complain as long as it works. People think we're cute, I can't even imagine the outrage on these boards had Saunders called the type of game Shanahan and Dallas' OC called the last two weeks and brought out reverses and flea flickers and all that garbage, THAT'S being cute. Not trying to mix in a pass play or two to open up the running lanes because teams want to bring 8 down in the box to stop LJ.

**Saulbadguy** · 12-12-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It's clock-management and that's not subjective.

Why throw the ball to score fast and give them the ball with a minute left, two timeouts?

It makes no sense.

IMO, trying to score is more important than worrying about the clock. We weren't guaranteed a score in the redzone, so get it done any way possible. If they (coaching staff) saw something they thought they could exploit with a pass, why not pass it?

Totally subjective, still. If we would have scored on that pass play, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Even if AS playcalling gets us 30 ppg, it still "wouldn't be good enough" because of one play, which in this case, wasn't a bad call. It was poorly excecuted.

jidar · 12-12-2005, 02:33 PM

This thread is proof that few people here know what the **** they're talking about.

I'd love it if all the Coaches in the league were like these guys in this thread. I could be Defensive Coordinator in that league and completely own. People would wonder at my ability to predict what opposing offenses were going to do. I'd even have a 900 number, I'd let other DC's call me and ask for advice "Hey they're on the 5, what do you think they're gonna do? me: They're gonna run it!"

Mr. Laz · 12-12-2005, 02:41 PM

i think we lost the game because of coaching

we didn't know when to call a timeout
we didn't know when to blitz
we didn't know what plays to call

Kansas city talent level > Dallas talent level

Dallas coaches > Kansas city coaches

we played stupid and lost a very winnable game because of it. Not the first time this year either.

Chiefnj · 12-12-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ck_IN

I think in some way this sort of thing is ego stroking by either DV or AS. Calling a run sweep or inside trap isn't imaginative and won't get you game calling kudos on ESPN. All it does is likely result in a score.

Calling some kind of razzle dazzle pass play has the potential to make people step back and say 'wow, who called that?!'.

We've morphed into a smash mouth team with LJ and Roaf but AS/DV don't want to admit it.

I must have missed the razzle, dazzle element of the play. It looked to me like Green was taking a 5 or 7 step drop to pass the ball. Probably to one of the receivers or TE who were open for most of the day.

Yep, it's AS' fault. Damn him for expecting a player to be able to pick up an obvious block.

**Saulbadguy** · 12-12-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Kansas city talent level > Dallas talent level

On defense, that is very debatable.

DaWolf · 12-12-2005, 03:09 PM

I can't critisize the play. Frankly that would have been a great time to try and go to Gonzo in the end zone. We've just got to block. Give Dallas credit, they saw the weakness in our blocking scheme and took advantage of it. But we can't go conservative there.

Now if we're inside the 5 yard line and he decides to get cute again, that's where I have a problem...

Pitt Gorilla · 12-12-2005, 03:10 PM

LJ makes the block, my bet is on a TD. I guess we should never throw in the redzone.

Mr. Laz · 12-12-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

On defense, that is very debatable.

agreed

but imo we are MUCH better on offense

total talent level = Chiefs

ChiefsFanatic · 12-12-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If we continue to use him this much at this rate......he'll turn into what Eddie George did before he's 30. There's a classic case of a back who was overworked and his career ended early.

Or, he could be the next Curtis Martin. He was not used heavily in the first part of the season. I am not saying keep this pace over his entire career, but he is fresh, and we need to win to get to the playoffs. It is that simple.

12-11-2005, 04:39 PM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9373645	Passing in the redzone is why Saunders should never be HC LJ is tearing up the Cowboys and he decides to throw the ball twice in a row when the Cowboys would have used timeouts to stop the clock? I don't care about how many yards this offense has put up, his desire to be too cute is the reason he should never be the HC of this team.
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12-12-2005, 10:32 AM	#31
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I think in some way this sort of thing is ego stroking by either DV or AS. Calling a run sweep or inside trap isn't imaginative and won't get you game calling kudos on ESPN. All it does is likely result in a score. Calling some kind of razzle dazzle pass play has the potential to make people step back and say 'wow, who called that?!'. We've morphed into a smash mouth team with LJ and Roaf but AS/DV don't want to admit it. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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12-12-2005, 11:34 AM	#33
RickObie What the Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4960620	Granted hindsight is always 20/20 but my question is why take the timeout with about a 1:22 left then pass the ball. It's horrible clock management. Even if you score you leave Dallas a minute to do something with the ball. I thought they took the timeout to give us a chance to run a time or two. Easy to complain after the fact, it they score and stop the CBoys we're singing a different tune.
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12-12-2005, 02:18 PM	#34
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $2706966	Playcalling. It is great when it works, it is dumb when it does not work. Totally subjective. __________________ http://www.goemaw.com
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12-12-2005, 02:27 PM	#36
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2072500	I did not like the timeout. Did not have a problem with calling a pass though. We shredded them through the air, it's not like they were shutting down our passing game either. I don't even think it was Al being cute, just mixing it up and continuing to keep them off balance. Playcalling is subjective, people don't complain as long as it works. People think we're cute, I can't even imagine the outrage on these boards had Saunders called the type of game Shanahan and Dallas' OC called the last two weeks and brought out reverses and flea flickers and all that garbage, THAT'S being cute. Not trying to mix in a pass play or two to open up the running lanes because teams want to bring 8 down in the box to stop LJ.
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12-12-2005, 02:33 PM	#38
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	This thread is proof that few people here know what the **** they're talking about. I'd love it if all the Coaches in the league were like these guys in this thread. I could be Defensive Coordinator in that league and completely own. People would wonder at my ability to predict what opposing offenses were going to do. I'd even have a 900 number, I'd let other DC's call me and ask for advice "Hey they're on the 5, what do you think they're gonna do? me: They're gonna run it!"
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12-12-2005, 02:41 PM	#39
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	i think we lost the game because of coaching we didn't know when to call a timeout we didn't know when to blitz we didn't know what plays to call Kansas city talent level > Dallas talent level Dallas coaches > Kansas city coaches we played stupid and lost a very winnable game because of it. Not the first time this year either. __________________
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12-12-2005, 03:09 PM	#42
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I can't critisize the play. Frankly that would have been a great time to try and go to Gonzo in the end zone. We've just got to block. Give Dallas credit, they saw the weakness in our blocking scheme and took advantage of it. But we can't go conservative there. Now if we're inside the 5 yard line and he decides to get cute again, that's where I have a problem...
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12-12-2005, 03:10 PM	#43
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $3030194	LJ makes the block, my bet is on a TD. I guess we should never throw in the redzone. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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