Chiefs Jeff Chadiha Interviewed on 810 this morning -Interesting bits about Cassel and OC - Page 27

ComfortablyNumb · 09:49 AM

Jeff Chadiha of ESPN was interviewed on 810 this morning and had some interesting bits about Cassel:

- He revealed that Haley told him that his father, Dick Haley (famous Steelers personnel man), upon watching Cassel practice told him "I don't think you can win with this guy"

- Was told by a source within the Chiefs that he trusts that Matt Cassel was still mistakenly calling out plays using Patriots terminology...in year two

- Was told that Weiss was not a Cassel fan at all (I know this isn't new, but yet another source confirming what we already know)

- Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB

Very depressing interview....

Chiefnj2 · 02-03-2012, 09:36 AM

They set a franchise record for fewest points scored, yet some asshats think that equates to excellent coaching.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

wat

Average into decent? Aren't those the same thing?

Was chiefzilla shitfaced when he was responding in this thread? I can't tell what he was even trying to argue.

I was absolutely tanked last night. Haha.

My point was that we all said with a tough schedule this team was lucky to go 7-9. We went 7-9. And that's considering that we lost our rb who was our entire offense. Lost our qb and got stuck with a 5th stringer for a few games. Our starting roster had huge talent gaps and we still did OK.

People blame the coach. I blame the Gm for giving Haley shitty guys to work with. Even worse if gretz's story is true that pioli intentionally didn't spend in free agency so he can find an excuse to fire Haley.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They set a franchise record for fewest points scored, yet some asshats think that equates to excellent coaching.

When your rbs don't have talent to run the ball.

When your best passing option is Tyler palko or rookie stanzi.

I wasn't a big fan of playcallibg. But talent was 95% of the reason our offense sucked.

tredadda · 02-03-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

So you're argument then is Palko is Pioli's guy and not Haley's?

I would have to say yes. Here's why.

1. Palko never started over Cassel, EVER. He only started when Cassel went down for the season.

2. True Haley kept Palko on the roster, but that was over players even worse than Palko (or at least equivalent in talent), so it is a push.

3. Who legit has Pioli EVER brought in at QB?

4. Orton started once he learned enough of the playbook to be decent and then went down first play forcing Haley to go back to Palko.

5. The only reason why people are so butt hurt over the Palko situation is because they wanted our 5th rounder in Stanzi to start, but from all appearances he was anything but ready and that did not change when Crennel took over.

At the end of the day we finished 7-9 with one of the toughest schedules in the NFL minus our top offensive player, a young talented TE, and one of if not our best defensive players. This is with one of the worst starting QBs in the league and one of if not the worst backup QB situation in the NFL.

O.city · 02-03-2012, 11:22 AM

Who legit could Pioli could have brought in to play qb in the time he has been here?

Just curious.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Who legit could Pioli could have brought in to play qb in the time he has been here?

Just curious.

I hate the cassel decision but recognize he options over three years weren't great.

There are, however, a billion and a half qbs pioli could have signed who were better than croyle, Gutierrez, and palko. My guess is, none of those guys will be in the league next year

And stanzi came two years too late. They should have at least drafted a late rounder in 2010.

O.city · 02-03-2012, 11:34 AM

I agree zilla.

However, I think CP fails to realize sometimes that franchise qbs aren't exactly everywhere.

IMO there are 6 or 7 in the league. WHich means 20 some teams are always lookng for one.

htismaqe · 02-03-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

5. The only reason why people are so butt hurt over the Palko situation is because they wanted our 5th rounder in Stanzi to start, but from all appearances he was anything but ready and that did not change when Crennel took over.

The day RAC took over, before he'd ever run a full practice, he promoted Stanzi to 2nd string and demoted Palko to the end of the bench. It absolutely DID change when Crennel took over.

tredadda · 02-03-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Who legit could Pioli could have brought in to play qb in the time he has been here?

Just curious.

I would have to look back at all the FA QBs and those drafted ahead of Stanzi to best be able to answer that. To think that the best out there in the past three years were Cassel, Croyle, Palko, Stanzi, and Guitterez is a mighty stretch. What stopped us from getting Dalton with our first rounder last year? He would have helped us more than Baldwin. This is not hindsight either. I liked Dalton in the draft and thought he could be good. He was not worth a #1 pick, but he was worth at least a late first orunder (which of course we had)

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I agree zilla.

However, I think CP fails to realize sometimes that franchise qbs aren't exactly everywhere.

IMO there are 6 or 7 in the league. WHich means 20 some teams are always lookng for one.

6 or 7 in a ten year span, which means 20 some teams will fail MULTIPLE times.

Still...backups are easy and cheap to get. Pioli is 100% to blame for the lack of having a backup.

TEX · 02-03-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

6 or 7 in a ten year span, which means 20 some teams will fail MULTIPLE times.

Still...backups are easy and cheap to get. Pioli is 100% to blame for the lack of having a backup.

But we do have a backup... Only problem is he's the starter.

O.city · 02-03-2012, 12:43 PM

I agree that no matter who the Palko thing is on it was fail on basically all sides.

However there is a reason that guys are backups. Look at Chicago, Indy, etc. You don't plan on your top qb going down. I realize you have to have a backup plan but when you have to play a backup, there is gonna ba a drop off.

I think CP tends to jump to the "it's either one thing of another" mentality and doesn't see the grey matter alot of times.

I tend to agree that haley got a shitty deal with Cassel. I don't really see alot of other options that he could have brought in to start. The search for qb is neverending and we shouldn't stop looking til we find one.

I think Pioli knows that. I think Cassel was brought in to be a stop gap type of player. Don't know why he got that much money but anyway. I think Pioli saw the roster and needed someone that would be a good leader and set a good example, which is something Cassel has done.

Now the roster is basically built, assuming the 3 ACL's come back healthy as they are a key piece to the pie.

Now it's time to go get a guy to lead the team with his ability at the qb position.

Swanman · 02-03-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The day RAC took over, before he'd ever run a full practice, he promoted Stanzi to 2nd string and demoted Palko to the end of the bench. It absolutely DID change when Crennel took over.

That was quite obvious when Palko wasn't even on the active roster after Romeo took over. There is absolutely zero reason why Orton shouldn't have started the Bears game but yet Haley still trotted that bum out there. I don't care if Orton had to draw plays in the dirt in each huddle, he would have been an upgrade over Palko.

**petegz28** · 02-03-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

I would have to say yes. Here's why.

1. Palko never started over Cassel, EVER. He only started when Cassel went down for the season.

2. True Haley kept Palko on the roster, but that was over players even worse than Palko (or at least equivalent in talent), so it is a push.

3. Who legit has Pioli EVER brought in at QB?

4. Orton started once he learned enough of the playbook to be decent and then went down first play forcing Haley to go back to Palko.

5. The only reason why people are so butt hurt over the Palko situation is because they wanted our 5th rounder in Stanzi to start, but from all appearances he was anything but ready and that did not change when Crennel took over.

At the end of the day we finished 7-9 with one of the toughest schedules in the NFL minus our top offensive player, a young talented TE, and one of if not our best defensive players. This is with one of the worst starting QBs in the league and one of if not the worst backup QB situation in the NFL.

I have to correct you, specifically on #4. Orton NEVER started under Haley.

tredadda · 02-03-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I have to correct you, specifically on #4. Orton NEVER started under Haley.

I though he started for one play before getting injured. I might be incorrect though.

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ComfortablyNumb Rookie Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10010579	Jeff Chadiha Interviewed on 810 this morning -Interesting bits about Cassel and OC Jeff Chadiha of ESPN was interviewed on 810 this morning and had some interesting bits about Cassel: - He revealed that Haley told him that his father, Dick Haley (famous Steelers personnel man), upon watching Cassel practice told him "I don't think you can win with this guy" - Was told by a source within the Chiefs that he trusts that Matt Cassel was still mistakenly calling out plays using Patriots terminology...in year two - Was told that Weiss was not a Cassel fan at all (I know this isn't new, but yet another source confirming what we already know) - Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB Very depressing interview.... Last edited by ComfortablyNumb; 01-26-2012 at 09:49 AM.. Reason: added that Chadiha works for ESPN
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2834064	I agree that no matter who the Palko thing is on it was fail on basically all sides. However there is a reason that guys are backups. Look at Chicago, Indy, etc. You don't plan on your top qb going down. I realize you have to have a backup plan but when you have to play a backup, there is gonna ba a drop off. I think CP tends to jump to the "it's either one thing of another" mentality and doesn't see the grey matter alot of times. I tend to agree that haley got a shitty deal with Cassel. I don't really see alot of other options that he could have brought in to start. The search for qb is neverending and we shouldn't stop looking til we find one. I think Pioli knows that. I think Cassel was brought in to be a stop gap type of player. Don't know why he got that much money but anyway. I think Pioli saw the roster and needed someone that would be a good leader and set a good example, which is something Cassel has done. Now the roster is basically built, assuming the 3 ACL's come back healthy as they are a key piece to the pie. Now it's time to go get a guy to lead the team with his ability at the qb position.
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