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ayleswbj · 10-30-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So you're saying the "gelling" line is bullshit?

No not at all, Im saying what was a 2-14 team last season has a long way to go. I really think by week 12-13 you guys may be in full effect. Smith spent most of his years in a numbered Turner system as opposed to one west coast with Mcarthy. I think its more of a talent thing with the whole team as opposed to gelling. The offense lacks the overall talent to be dominant.

Mr. Plow · 10-30-2013, 01:38 PM

Hell, he's on pace for his lowest targets since 2009 when he only played 11 games.

Brock · 10-30-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj

His avg YPR have dipped for 4 straight seasons and by bad luck he signs a huge deal and Alex Smith is stuck with him.

Keep moving those goalposts, little slugger. Whatever it takes to make it not alex's fault.

BigCatDaddy · 10-30-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj

No not at all, Im saying what was a 2-14 team last season has a long way to go. I really think by week 12-13 you guys may be in full effect. Smith spent most of his years in a numbered Turner system as opposed to one west coast with Mcarthy. I think its more of a talent thing with the whole team as opposed to gelling. The offense lacks the overall talent to be dominant.

So we need to have dominant WR's, RB, offensive line, AND defense and we'll be set and Alice will stop missing wide open passes. Got it.

**Bearcat** · 10-30-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

do you honestly disagree with that? or are you just saying?

It's the first place a lot of Chiefs fans point to when complaining about the offense. I think some people use it as a way to show they really know football... "a quarterback is only as good as his linemen!" "games are won in the trenches!" derp. It's not a lack of mobility or awareness or whatever... MOAR LINEMEN!

But yeah, this is one of the few seasons that it's been a legit argument, at least at times... it's just that some people seem to think other quarterbacks get 20 seconds in the pocket (I love hyperbole) each time they drop back. I guess people got used to the mid-90s and then the DV age with the best line in the league... most QBs don't have one of those lines and have to deal with it (but again, it's been pretty terrible this year). /soapbox

Sorter · 10-30-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj

No not at all, Im saying what was a 2-14 team last season has a long way to go. I really think by week 12-13 you guys may be in full effect. Smith spent most of his years in a numbered Turner system as opposed to one west coast with Mcarthy. I think its more of a talent thing with the whole team as opposed to gelling. The offense lacks the overall talent to be dominant.

He's spent his last several years in a WCO.

Sorter · 10-30-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

8 weeks, and we are 16th in efficiency. Is it that hard to believe we might just be 10th in 4 weeks? 7th in 8 weeks? Don't think top 10-12 is good enough to propel KC into a SB?

Brock · 10-30-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So we need to have dominant WR's, RB, offensive line, AND defense and we'll be set and Alice will stop missing wide open passes. Got it.

Matt Cassel apologists a few years ago

**BossChief** · 10-30-2013, 01:46 PM

The things some say to defend this teams shitty quarterbacks...

Bowe has shown DOMINANT ability.
Avery and McCluster have shown solid ability. League average or so.
Jamaal Charles has shown DOMINANT ability.

Alex Smiths ability to protect the ball is nice, but he also leaves a lot of plays unfinished because he doesn't have the mentality to finish them.

Avery is open a lot on deep routes, I don't want to hear otherwise. I saw it with my own eyes. Bowe had 2 steps on the defender on a deep cross and Alex threw the 6 yard pass on the same side of the field to DMC (iirc it was DMC). Alex has overthrown a "NFL open" receiver a lot, too.

Those are the "take what the defense gives you" passes that open up when a defense overcompensates to take away the short game.

If Alex can't capitalize, you get 31 yards in the second half at home against Cleveland.

**hometeam** · 10-30-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Brees is further along with his overall development, so QBs like him would likely step into a new situation and play better than Smith. Goes back to the words of Urban Meyer, really. Brees and others have more natural improvisational skill.. whereas Smith isn't wired that way. With a crap OL blocking? Improvisation can be a great asset. At the same time though, and behind KC's OL? Brees would likely be on I.R. by now... and Smith's ability to run has clearly been helpful.

Still comparing a universally accepted elite QB to Smith is playing with a loaded deck.

I didn't know that 9 year veteran QB's that got picked 1.1 needed more time to develop.

NinerDoug · 10-30-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

He's spent his last several years in a WCO.

Last year and a half. Jimmy Raye was the OC under Singletary. Before him, it was Mike Martz (Alex was on IR the entire season), and before him it was the QBs coach promoted to OC, then Norv Turner the year before, and Mike McCarthy his first season.

Jakemall · 10-30-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You're missing the point. Good QB's are good QB's off the bat, they don't 8 weeks to "gel".

you know examples could be made both ways, right?

Sorter · 10-30-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NinerDoug

Last year and a half. Jimmy Raye was the OC under Singletary. Before him, it was Mike Martz (Alex was on IR the entire season), and before him it was the QBs coach promoted to OC, then Norv Turner the year before, and Mike McCarthy his first season.

You can include this year as well.

So, 3.5 full years spent in a WCO with 2.5 being much more recent

**Bearcat** · 10-30-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NinerDoug

Last year and a half. Jimmy Raye was the OC under Singletary. Before him, it was Mike Martz (Alex was on IR the entire season), and before him it was the QBs coach promoted to OC, then Norv Turner the year before, and Mike McCarthy his first season.

HOW DOES HE KEEP LANDING JOBS?!?!

NinerDoug · 10-30-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

HOW DOES HE KEEP LANDING JOBS?!?!

Mike Singletary. (Or is he actually working now?).

Run, run, pass, punt. Run, run, pass, punt. Man, those were some exciting days.

Cool Gilligan hat though.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	The things some say to defend this teams shitty quarterbacks... Bowe has shown DOMINANT ability. Avery and McCluster have shown solid ability. League average or so. Jamaal Charles has shown DOMINANT ability. Alex Smiths ability to protect the ball is nice, but he also leaves a lot of plays unfinished because he doesn't have the mentality to finish them. Avery is open a lot on deep routes, I don't want to hear otherwise. I saw it with my own eyes. Bowe had 2 steps on the defender on a deep cross and Alex threw the 6 yard pass on the same side of the field to DMC (iirc it was DMC). Alex has overthrown a "NFL open" receiver a lot, too. Those are the "take what the defense gives you" passes that open up when a defense overcompensates to take away the short game. If Alex can't capitalize, you get 31 yards in the second half at home against Cleveland. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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