****Official 2017-2018 Missouri Tigers Basketball Thread****

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Back up in your ass with the resurrection. Follow the Cuonzo Martin era here.

Recruiting Commitments:

2017:
Michael Porter Jr., SF, *****, Gatorade National Player of the Year
CJ Roberts, PG, ****
Blake Harris, PG, ***/****
Jeremiah Tilmon, F/C, ****
Kassius Robertson, Grad Transfer
Jontay Porter (possible re-classification from Class of '18), ****

Departures: No one that matters
Returning Players: No one that matters

Overall class ranking: #6 nationally.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Wrong.

[Titty Meat]

If theres a silver lining here its that the 2 minutes he played at Mizzou will certainly have helped you guys with recruiting and bringing some of the current talent on the roster.

[Stanley Nickels]

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The problem is that the herniation has weakened the wall and it will absolutely happen again.

The microdiscectomy is presumably to allow the bulge to happen a little bit without the nerves being pinched/inflamed. That should theoretically allow it to bother him less frequently, but he'll need to be careful still because if he tries to play on it and tweaks it wrong, it's gonna go completely haywire and no discectomy is going to solve that. Worse for him, as he ages, he may need it fused; way down in the lumbar for a dude that tall is going to take quite a bit of strain. If he's already having bulging disc issues at 19 years old, it's not going to get better for him.

Just as was the case when Poe went down with his herniated disc and needed surgery, I'm going to have to assume that this will be a long-term, lingering issue for a 6'10'' dude until proven otherwise.

I was never saying this wouldn't be a chronic issue. People with back injuries are more likely to suffer chronic back injuries. It's axiomatic.

There are a lot of complications here and things we don't know. Did he tear the annulus? How broad is his spinal canal? Does he have osteophytes that are irritating the nerve?

The discectomy is a quick fix. What matters is the diameter of his spinal canal. Shaving the disc back will get him space now, but no more than the normal immune process of resorption. That's why it works quickly but offers no long-term benefit. There is no Level I evidence to suggest that surgery is a superior route over many years. It is superior at several months and two years, but not at ten.

As far as a future fusion, we'll see. You actually need less rotation in your lumbar spine than your thoracic spine, and lumbar re-herniations recur at about a 5% rate for the general population, regardless of whether they chose surgical or medical management.

[ROYC75]

WOW, sorry to hear this Tigger fans. That is some tough luck, injuries suck. Wonder if he will return next year ?


At least your guy wasn't driving somebody else's car !

Good Luck Tig's!

[Dartgod]

Life as a Mizzou Basketball fan...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I was never saying this wouldn't be a chronic issue. People with back injuries are more likely to suffer chronic back injuries. It's axiomatic.

There are a lot of complications here and things we don't know. Did he tear the annulus? How broad is his spinal canal? Does he have osteophytes that are irritating the nerve?

The discectomy is a quick fix. What matters is the diameter of his spinal canal. Shaving the disc back will get him space now, but no more than the normal immune process of resorption. That's why it works quickly but offers no long-term benefit. There is no Level I evidence to suggest that surgery is a superior route over many years. It is superior at several months and two years, but not at ten.

As far as a future fusion, we'll see. You actually need less rotation in your lumbar spine than your thoracic spine, and lumbar re-herniations recur at about a 5% rate for the general population, regardless of whether they chose surgical or medical management.

Fair enough. I was speaking primarily to your contention that it was "good news, long term..." and honestly, I'm not sure how one gets there. I can't really take any good news out of back injuries for a tall athlete. I was hoping it was something in his hip/leg.

Does he have osteophytes that are irritating the nerve?

I kinda presumed he did, hence the utility of the procedure. If it's gonna cost him his season either way, as you've noted, a surgery wouldn't have seemed necessary to relieve simple pain from a bulging disc. I figured there had to have been something impinging there so they went in to clean it out.

[kstater]

At least you have the conference to cheer for

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Overall, I'm thinking this should be a good time for me to tap out of caring about sports.

It's a huge investment of time and emotional energy for a constant supply of anxiety, disappointment, and misery.

I said it when the Cardinals won the 2011 World Series, but I was too stupid to follow my own advice. It would never get better than that.

Since then, by rooting interests have been nothing but an unending series of disasters and tragedies. Deaths, injuries, murders, choke jobs, and collapses.

The Cardinals lost their best position prospect in 15 years to a ****ing drunk driving accident, blew a 3-1 lead in the NLCS to a shit team, lost to a Red Sox team (again) that sandwiched that title around last place finishes, and got totally surpassed by the ****ing Cubs. Meanwhile, every team since 2013 has gotten progressively worse.

Mizzou basketball cobbled together one inspired season from a group of jilted seniors, only to suffer the most embarrassing loss in the history of the program to the worst team that has ever won an NCAA tournament game, which they then followed up with a scandal only to then hire the worst coach arguably in Power 5 history. And when they finally do turn it around (it appears) the best player they've ever had, they best player they'll EVER have, a hometown kid with stellar character, blows out his back after two minutes.

And Mizzou football is perhaps the one to be most optimistic about, when the ceiling for the next half decade is probably second best team in a bad division.

But hey, maybe Drew Lock will stay around for his senior year and get drafted by the Browns so that they can ruin him. Or maybe he and Beckner will both declare and a ****ing asteroid will hit the training facility during their pro days so that they can be robbed of success at the next level, too.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Fair enough. I was speaking primarily to your contention that it was "good news, long term..." and honestly, I'm not sure how one gets there. I can't really take any good news out of back injuries for a tall athlete. I was hoping it was something in his hip/leg.
.

Honestly, hip injuries tend to be far worse and harder to manage than back injuries. Look at how a labral tear has sidelined Thomas.

Anything aside from a glute medius or hip flexor strain was going to be bad, bad news. Icing your hip is never, ever good, and this is the least awful of awful outcomes for his future, save for fluke scares that aren't really big injuries.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Wow. That sucks. Sorry guys. Was looking forward to you all being relevant again. And was hoping to see you all piss pound UK.

Yeah, I was even going to go to Mizzou vs Kentucky/Florida game at Columbia this year w/ a buddy of mine. The agreement was he has to go to a AFH game, and I'll go to Columbia game. But I don't know if I want to do it now. Probably won't be too fun to watch Tilmon foul out in the 1st half, and Blake Harris to turn the ball over.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Overall, I'm thinking this should be a good time for me to tap out of caring about sports.

It's a huge investment of time and emotional energy for a constant supply of anxiety, disappointment, and misery.

I said it when the Cardinals won the 2011 World Series, but I was too stupid to follow my own advice. It would never get better than that.

Since then, by rooting interests have been nothing but an unending series of disasters and tragedies. Deaths, injuries, murders, choke jobs, and collapses.

The Cardinals lost their best position prospect in 15 years to a ****ing drunk driving accident, blew a 3-1 lead in the NLCS to a shit team, lost to a Red Sox team (again) that sandwiched that title around last place finishes, and got totally surpassed by the ****ing Cubs. Meanwhile, every team since 2013 has gotten progressively worse.

Mizzou basketball cobbled together one inspired season from a group of jilted seniors, only to suffer the most embarrassing loss in the history of the program to the worst team that has ever won an NCAA tournament game, which they then followed up with a scandal only to then hire the worst coach arguably in Power 5 history. And when they finally do turn it around (it appears) the best player they've ever had, they best player they'll EVER have, a hometown kid with stellar character, blows out his back after two minutes.

And Mizzou football is perhaps the one to be most optimistic about, when the ceiling for the next half decade is probably second best team in a bad division.

But hey, maybe Drew Lock will stay around for his senior year and get drafted by the Browns so that they can ruin him. Or maybe he and Beckner will both declare and a ****ing asteroid will hit the training facility during their pro days so that they can be robbed of success at the next level, too.

I mean ****, man. When you put it that way....

But seriously, have any of us doubted that being a sports fan is a shitty investment? I've tried to quit by sports are ****ing opioids. I've walked away from the Cardinals, Blues, Chiefs and Tigers over the last 8 years or so and none of them ever stuck. It came close with the Blues but then they rebuilt and rebuilds are always fun to follow - THE PROMISE OF YOUTH AND A BRIGHT FUTURE!!! (of course, that rebuild ended up with the most frustrating bunch of mopey bitches to date; **** off, Oshie).

I've only ever managed to completely divest of a single rooting interest and that was Dale Earnhardt Jr. after he went to Hendrick. And that only stuck because 3 years later I didn't watch racing at all; simply didn't care anymore. Yet somehow when I was scrolling through twitter and saw that Martin Truex Jrs former teammate at DEI won the championship, I was oddly happy for him. Team loyalty still existed even in a 'sport' I couldn't give a large rat's ass about anymore.

No, I'm ****ed. But best of luck to you...

[Molitoth]

Effing stupid. Just ughhh. .

Alex Smith, now this. ****

[Ebolapox]

So... guess the chances of his coming back are less than zero, right?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Honestly, hip injuries tend to be far worse and harder to manage than back injuries. Look at how a labral tear has sidelined Thomas.

Anything aside from a glute medius or hip flexor strain was going to be bad, bad news. Icing your hip is never, ever good, and this is the least awful of awful outcomes for his future, save for fluke scares that aren't really big injuries.

Well I wasn't exactly thinking torn labrum. More strained flexor. I was perhaps being a tad optimistic.