Misc Silly argument about paintings - Page 5

lcarus · 05-03-2012, 02:53 PM

I am at work today and I was talking to my co-worker about "The Scream", which sold at an auction for nearly 120 million dollars. Anyway, I referred to it as a painting, and he quickly corrected me "IT'S NOT A PAINTING, IT'S A PASTEL!". Which is correct, it is a pastel. But isn't a pastel still a painting? I looked up "painting" and it says Painting is the practice of applying paint, pigment, color or other medium to a surface (support base).

I also found a billion videos of artists using pastel crayons (or whatever they're called) and referring to their work as "paintings" like this one for example

So no, it isn't a painting in the literal sense that it was painted with paint and a brush, but is it still wrong to refer to it as a painting?

Psyko Tek · 05-03-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I am at work today and I was talking to my co-worker about "The Scream", which sold at an auction for nearly 120 million dollars. Anyway, I referred to it as a painting, and he quickly corrected me "IT'S NOT A PAINTING, IT'S A PASTEL!". Which is correct, it is a pastel. But isn't a pastel still a painting? I looked up "painting" and it says Painting is the practice of applying paint, pigment, color or other medium to a surface (support base).

I also found a billion videos of artists using pastel crayons (or whatever they're called) and referring to their work as "paintings" like this one for example

So no, it isn't a painting in the literal sense that it was painted with paint and a brush, but is it still wrong to refer to it as a painting?

if you can create it on an interstate over pass...
it's a painting

**AustinChief** · 05-03-2012, 11:15 PM

Just to be absolutely clear on this... You can make a DRAWING with oil paints and a PAINTING with colored pencils. Yes, MOST of the time a "dry" medium is used for drawing and a "wet" one for painting... but that doesn't DEFINE the terms. Hell, can you draw and paint on a computer? YES. Please inform me what the difference in medium is there?

SilentHell · 05-03-2012, 11:20 PM

I am using the guy at works arguments. I work with that guy as well as Icarus. He is trying to be specific and it is failing. Its not hard to stand up for something you know is right or wrong, but this clown can not admit he is wrong. Luckily for me, I have a job interview tomorrow at 3. So I will be the hell out of there probably and won't have to deal with the clown, my d-bag brother, or my "loser family".

**AustinChief** · 05-03-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentHell

I am using the guy at works arguments. I work with that guy as well as Icarus. He is trying to be specific and it is failing. Its not hard to stand up for something you know is right or wrong, but this clown can not admit he is wrong. Luckily for me, I have a job interview tomorrow at 3. So I will be the hell out of there probably and won't have to deal with the clown, my d-bag brother, or my "loser family".

Good luck on the interview!

SilentHell · 05-03-2012, 11:29 PM

Thanks. I don't need luck. I have had like 6 call backs on my resume, but I have a degree and almost finished with my Bachelors in game design. I wish Icarus would get off his ass and start submitting his god d@ng resume to places instead of complaining about work or arguing about what classifies as a painting. Who cares who is right or wrong? I got an idea, get a new job and get the hell out of there and you dont have to deal with the clown. In my opinion about "The Scream" (pastel, 1895). If I look at it closely, it looks like someone drew the piece with a crayon. If that makes it a painting, whatever, if not, whatever. Munch used a pastel crayon and applied the pigment onto a dang piece of paper, so I hope whatever my brother is trying to prove is worth the time. IMHO, this clown we work with is not worth the time to prove anything to. The end.

05-03-2012, 11:35 PM

I threw him under the bus on purpose because I thought it was funny. But 90% of that post was fabricated for your benefit.

SilentHell · 05-03-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I threw him under the bus on purpose because I thought it was funny. But 90% of that post was fabricated for your benefit.

I gotcha. He needs to get off this forum for a change and submit his resume. I mean seriously, my brother and this d-bag argued for like 6 hours today over some stupid ugly painting. Think about how many applications and resume submissions you can do in 6 hours. I told the clown at work, "Munch used pastels to draw the painting on a board." And he said "It's not a painting though." And I was like, "FML!" So I guarantee you tomorrow I am going to have to sit there as a neutral party tomorrow listening to what is or isn't a painting for another 8 hours. I may kill one of them. However, by law of family, I can't kill my brother and feel good about it, so that leaves one bullet for the ginger oaf.

05-03-2012, 11:47 PM

The 10% that was true was the part about the loser brother. He's told us all about you and your pile of crunchy tube socks.

SilentHell · 05-04-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

The 10% that was true was the part about the loser brother. He's told us all about you and your pile of crunchy tube socks.

I don't own tube socks, however I do have crunchy socks. Mainly because they are convenient when you dont have a paper towel or proper cleaning cloth around. Socks are abundant, easily washable, and already smell of stank anyways. However, the crusty is only the tears from a headache that was caused by listening to an argument over freaking paintings. I have sex with my wife all the time, but when things get a little lonely, there is always a sock laying around.

Johnny Vegas · 05-04-2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I presented all my evidence to him and it still wasn't good enough. So he then told me I'm a moron that knows nothing about anything except Doritos and video games. I guess because he's 52 and I'm 28? I don't know. He thinks because he went to art school 30 years ago he's the expert on art.

dude. you work with Donger?

WhiteWhale · 05-04-2012, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I just don't understand it. This is why I tend to stick to sculptures and figures when I go to museums. I don't understand the appeal in paintings like these and many others. There was a painting at the Nelson Atkins museum that was literally just random squares and rectangles. It kind of pissed me off that some people consider that great art.

Yeah well contemporary art kinda sucks. It's a bunch of pretentious appreciators with no talent saying "Oh yes, this shows so much anger and disarray!" and it's just a bunch of feces flung onto a flour taco shell.

**Rain Man** · 05-04-2012, 08:45 AM

I'm really torn on the definition of painting, and also on the family rift between lcarus and his brother. So I'll offer an unrelated art story.

I went to a contemporary art museum last week while traveling. I like creative contemporary art, but this stuff was not creative. It was things like a video of a guy doing various combinations of finger raising, and there was one painting that was a poorly executed white paint smeared on a canvas with a poorly executed blue circle in the middle of it. It was just bad.

There was one quote by one of the "artists" and my wife and I both found it quite amusing. The guy said, "I am an artist, and I have an art studio. Therefore, anything I create in my studio is art." We both had the reaction of 'not so fast there, buddy'. I can't remember what his specific creation was, but I remember it being quite unremarkable.

Fishpicker · 05-04-2012, 09:12 AM

I'd say if its done with chalk pastel, it's a drawing. If it's done with oil pastel, it's a painting.

lcarus · 05-04-2012, 09:29 AM

I showed him the email from the SD Art Institute guy, and he still thinks it's wrong. At this point, he's just in denial. He also brought in a bunch of his "art" to prove that he went to art school and did artwork. LOL.

He says common sense would tell you that it isn't a painting since it isn't done with paint and it isn't painted. I said that pastels are made from the same pigments that oil paint is made out of, it's just in a different medium, and also that a wise artist once said "drawing is painting is drawing"...or something of that nature. Because really, when you draw with a pen or pencil, you're just painting ink or lead onto a surface with a device.

lcarus · 05-04-2012, 09:38 AM

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Lol. I am his brother and I am far from a loser.

. Too funny that he gets on here and complains about his life. He does need to do something about it

No, you're a loser. A giant one. A douche also.

05-03-2012, 02:53 PM
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $1909928	Silly argument about paintings I am at work today and I was talking to my co-worker about "The Scream", which sold at an auction for nearly 120 million dollars. Anyway, I referred to it as a painting, and he quickly corrected me "IT'S NOT A PAINTING, IT'S A PASTEL!". Which is correct, it is a pastel. But isn't a pastel still a painting? I looked up "painting" and it says Painting is the practice of applying paint, pigment, color or other medium to a surface (support base). I also found a billion videos of artists using pastel crayons (or whatever they're called) and referring to their work as "paintings" like this one for example So no, it isn't a painting in the literal sense that it was painted with paint and a brush, but is it still wrong to refer to it as a painting?
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05-03-2012, 11:15 PM	#62
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2719112	Just to be absolutely clear on this... You can make a DRAWING with oil paints and a PAINTING with colored pencils. Yes, MOST of the time a "dry" medium is used for drawing and a "wet" one for painting... but that doesn't DEFINE the terms. Hell, can you draw and paint on a computer? YES. Please inform me what the difference in medium is there?
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05-03-2012, 11:20 PM	#63
SilentHell Starter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Tulsa (lived in KC 14yrs) Casino cash: $10004900	I am using the guy at works arguments. I work with that guy as well as Icarus. He is trying to be specific and it is failing. Its not hard to stand up for something you know is right or wrong, but this clown can not admit he is wrong. Luckily for me, I have a job interview tomorrow at 3. So I will be the hell out of there probably and won't have to deal with the clown, my d-bag brother, or my "loser family".
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05-03-2012, 11:29 PM	#65
SilentHell Starter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Tulsa (lived in KC 14yrs) Casino cash: $10004900	Thanks. I don't need luck. I have had like 6 call backs on my resume, but I have a degree and almost finished with my Bachelors in game design. I wish Icarus would get off his ass and start submitting his god d@ng resume to places instead of complaining about work or arguing about what classifies as a painting. Who cares who is right or wrong? I got an idea, get a new job and get the hell out of there and you dont have to deal with the clown. In my opinion about "The Scream" (pastel, 1895). If I look at it closely, it looks like someone drew the piece with a crayon. If that makes it a painting, whatever, if not, whatever. Munch used a pastel crayon and applied the pigment onto a dang piece of paper, so I hope whatever my brother is trying to prove is worth the time. IMHO, this clown we work with is not worth the time to prove anything to. The end.
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05-03-2012, 11:35 PM	#66
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	I threw him under the bus on purpose because I thought it was funny. But 90% of that post was fabricated for your benefit.
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05-03-2012, 11:47 PM	#68
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	The 10% that was true was the part about the loser brother. He's told us all about you and your pile of crunchy tube socks.
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05-04-2012, 08:45 AM	#72
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3368491 VARSITY	I'm really torn on the definition of painting, and also on the family rift between lcarus and his brother. So I'll offer an unrelated art story. I went to a contemporary art museum last week while traveling. I like creative contemporary art, but this stuff was not creative. It was things like a video of a guy doing various combinations of finger raising, and there was one painting that was a poorly executed white paint smeared on a canvas with a poorly executed blue circle in the middle of it. It was just bad. There was one quote by one of the "artists" and my wife and I both found it quite amusing. The guy said, "I am an artist, and I have an art studio. Therefore, anything I create in my studio is art." We both had the reaction of 'not so fast there, buddy'. I can't remember what his specific creation was, but I remember it being quite unremarkable. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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05-04-2012, 09:12 AM	#73
Fishpicker On one quarter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I play all day Casino cash: $3377111	I'd say if its done with chalk pastel, it's a drawing. If it's done with oil pastel, it's a painting. __________________ A person who has been [ideologically] demoralized cannot assess true information. the [demoralization] process is complete and irreversible. -Yuri Bezmenov on Soviet Subversion
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05-04-2012, 09:29 AM	#74
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $1909928	I showed him the email from the SD Art Institute guy, and he still thinks it's wrong. At this point, he's just in denial. He also brought in a bunch of his "art" to prove that he went to art school and did artwork. LOL. He says common sense would tell you that it isn't a painting since it isn't done with paint and it isn't painted. I said that pastels are made from the same pigments that oil paint is made out of, it's just in a different medium, and also that a wise artist once said "drawing is painting is drawing"...or something of that nature. Because really, when you draw with a pen or pencil, you're just painting ink or lead onto a surface with a device.
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