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Old 11-15-2018, 07:55 AM  
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Old 11-18-2018, 02:35 PM   #76
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It would seem he has a very strong set of motivators to provide health care for his family. Why is he spending time blaming a politician instead of using that time to do so?
He said he had a good job, yet he is still drowning. The man is doing everything right, yet being punished for expensive medical conditions that are completely out of his control.

Do you have any idea how expensive cancer care is?
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:24 PM   #77
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Should this man be bankrupt because his wife got cancer at 40? Should he have to worry that his kids won't get affordable care because they were born with congenital conditions?
Why should others have to pay because this guy's wife got cancer at 40? Why should others have to pay so this guy doesn't have to worry about his kids getting affordable care?
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:35 PM   #78
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He said he had a good job, yet he is still drowning. The man is doing everything right, yet being punished for expensive medical conditions that are completely out of his control.

Do you have any idea how expensive cancer care is?
Not only do I know what it costs I know what it means to do what it takes to be prepared for it without looking to anyone but myself.

I have nothing but sympathy for his family. Like most, the big C has taken some dear and close from me.

If heís doing everything right how can he not have insurance? How can he be left blaming the government for his situation?
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:45 PM   #79
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Not only do I know what it costs I know what it means to do what it takes to be prepared for it without looking to anyone but myself.

I have nothing but sympathy for his family. Like most, the big C has taken some dear and close from me.

If heís doing everything right how can he not have insurance? How can he be left blaming the government for his situation?
He's being proactive. If he loses his job, he will lose everything if the ACA is repealed.
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:50 PM   #80
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Why should others have to pay because this guy's wife got cancer at 40? Why should others have to pay so this guy doesn't have to worry about his kids getting affordable care?
You wouldn't have to if we cut defense spending, which is $585B. But the country flanked by oceans has to spend 3x the second place country and 36% of the global total.
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He's being proactive. If he loses his job, he will lose everything if the ACA is repealed.
So he has no current difficulties with insurance or finances, heís just worried about challenges that could possibly arise in the future? Welcome to the world bud.

And his solution is to look to the federal government aka the taxpayer to relieve him of this worry? I get that heís scared. There just isnít enough money to give everyone who canít pay for it everything they want.
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You wouldn't have to if we cut defense spending, which is $585B. But the country flanked by oceans has to spend 3x the second place country and 36% of the global total.
How many jobs do you suppose defense spending provides? How many people are fed, clothed, sheltered, and fully insured with that defense money?
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So he has no current difficulties with insurance or finances, heís just worried about challenges that could possibly arise in the future? Welcome to the world bud.

And his solution is to look to the federal government aka the taxpayer to relieve him of this worry? I get that heís scared. There just isnít enough money to give everyone who canít pay for it everything they want.
Holy shit, man. This take is pretty savage. You talk about him having everything he wants like he's asking for a new car, when really all he wants is to make sure his wife doesn't die because they can't pay for cobra if he loses his job.

The lack of compassion is astounding.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:19 PM   #84
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How many jobs do you suppose defense spending provides? How many people are fed, clothed, sheltered, and fully insured with that defense money?
Federal spending on domestic programs in health care, education, clean energy and infrastructure creates more jobs, dollar for dollar, than military spending.

https://news.brown.edu/articles/2017/05/jobscow

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Holy shit, man. This take is pretty savage. You talk about him having everything he wants like he's asking for a new car, when really all he wants is to make sure his wife doesn't die because they can't pay for cobra if he loses his job.

The lack of compassion is astounding.
I have no shortage of compassion. I wish there were no issues in the world.

But thatís not reality. We have limited discretionary resources. Enough to help those who are unable to help themselves: children, elderly, single mothers who are unable to work, the disabled.

There is where we can afford to be compassionate so long as everyone else works to pay their own way.
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Go on, how do you see a connection to health insurers as gatekeepers to service?
You're just calling for govt bureaucrats to be the gatekeepers to service...they do decide who will or won't get health care if it costs too much, especially if older or elderly. Get in line and waitóand die in some cases waiting.
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I have no shortage of compassion. I wish there were no issues in the world.

But that’s not reality. We have limited discretionary resources. Enough to help those who are unable to help themselves: children, elderly, single mothers who are unable to work, the disabled.

There is where we can afford to be compassionate so long as everyone else works to pay their own way.
Bankrupting the 80% or 85-90% for the few and overloading the entire system for the few isn't exactly compassion. Taking 70-90% of hardworking people's money via greater taxes isn't compassion.

Cunninglinguist should be starting a cancer charity program with his fellow docs to donate their time and take in some of these folks every year. That would be genuine compassion.

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I like how all the NPC liberals ignore the fact that Trump somehow managed -- even though it's been tried for like ten years -- to remove that across-state-lines bullshit with Obama care. That by itself was a major accomplishment in un-****ing AHCA.
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You wouldn't have to if we cut defense spending, which is $585B. But the country flanked by oceans has to spend 3x the second place country and 36% of the global total.
That's about as stupid a reply as is humanly possible. Everyone is on the hook for government dictated heath care, regardless of what's spent on other areas. If you're making others pay for this guy's health bills, that's happening even if we spend 0$ on defense spending.


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I like how all the NPC liberals ignore the fact that Trump somehow managed -- even though it's been tried for like ten years -- to remove that across-state-lines bullshit with Obama care. That by itself was a major accomplishment in un-****ing AHCA.
This is one of those things that sounds like a smart take but is a really bad idea. Are you feeling open to hearing the explanation as to why?
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