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Old 11-15-2018, 07:59 AM  
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OOPS....another Climate Change Lie Correction

The science is settled? But it's the math that's hard?



The scientists behind a headline-grabbing global warming study did something that seems all too rare these days — they admitted to making mistakes and thanked the researcher, a global warming skeptic, who pointed them out.

“When we were confronted with his insight it became immediately clear there was an issue there,” study co-author Ralph Keeling told The San Diego Union-Tribune on Tuesday.

Their study, published in October, used a new method of measuring ocean heat uptake and found the oceans had absorbed 60 more heat than previously thought. Many news outlets relayed the findings, but independent scientist Nic Lewis quickly found problems with the study.

Keeling, a scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, owned up to the mistake and thanked Lewis for finding it. Keeling and his co-authors submitted a correction to the journal Nature.

“We’re grateful to have it be pointed out quickly so that we could correct it quickly,” Keeling said.

In a statement posted online Friday, Keeling said “the combined effect of these two corrections to have a small impact on our calculations of overall heat uptake.” However, Keeling said the errors mean there are “larger margins of error” than they initially thought.

So, while Keeling said they still found there’s more warming than previously thought, there’s too much uncertainty to support their paper’s central conclusion that oceans absorbed 60 percent more heat than current estimates show.

“Our error margins are too big now to really weigh in on the precise amount of warming that’s going on in the ocean,” Keeling told The Union Tribune. “We really muffed the error margins.”

Keeling and his co-authors used the study to debut a new way of estimating ocean heat uptake by measuring the volume of carbon dioxide and oxygen in the atmosphere. Scientists are still intrigued by this method, but all the kinks need to be worked out.

“So far as I can see, their method vastly underestimates the uncertainty,” Lewis told The Washington Post in an interview Tuesday, “as well as biasing up significantly, nearly 30 percent, the central estimate.”

Lewis pointed out the errors in Keeling’s study in a blog post published Nov. 6 on climate scientist Judith Curry’s website. Lewis wrote that “[j]ust a few hours of analysis and calculations … was sufficient to uncover apparently serious (but surely inadvertent) errors in the underlying calculations.”

Lewis is an ardent critic of climate scientists’ over-reliance on climate models, which he says predict too much warming. Lewis and Curry published a study earlier in 2018 that found climate models overestimated global warming by as much as 45 percent.

Lewis’s corrections were quickly confirmed by University of Colorado professor Roger Pielke Jr. Pielke called Keeling’s acceptance and willingness to correct the mistakes a “lesson in graciousness.”



“Unfortunately, we made mistakes here,” Keeling told WaPo. “I think the main lesson is that you work as fast as you can to fix mistakes when you find them.”
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Old 11-18-2018, 09:12 PM   #106
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Old 11-18-2018, 09:16 PM   #107
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Tell that to your fellow libs who label gender difference studies as 'sexist' or iq studies as 'racist'

Google just fired an engineer because he suggested sex differences could explain why more men work in the technological field.
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Old 11-18-2018, 09:26 PM   #108
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Google just fired an engineer because he suggested sex differences could explain why more men work in the technological field.
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:32 PM   #109
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:36 AM   #110
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Fear mongering Al Gore hot air doom and gloomers. Watch Niagra Falls freeze over this Winter suckers
I don't know if its doom and gloom. But weather has been impacted. We've had two really bad weather years in a row. And insurance actuaries consistently believe this trend is the new normal, not an exception. At the very least it's already going to lead to more property losses from natural disasters.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:25 PM   #111
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The market is implementing it just fine. It will continue to happen as well. Keep doubting....
Bullcrap.

Al Gore Routinely Buys Failing Energy Startups at Junk Status and Claims the Industry is Profitable. It's not

Digging into the numbers, there's razor thin profit margins

The reality is the same as it's always been since day one, Nuclear is the hands-down best alternative to fossil fuels while wind and solar are like bad liberal pyramid schemes.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:28 PM   #112
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Bullcrap.

Al Gore Routinely Buys Failing Energy Startups at Junk Status and Claims the Industry is Profitable. It's not

Digging into the numbers, there's razor thin profit margins

The reality is the same as it's always been since day one, Nuclear is the hands-down best alternative to fossil fuels while wind and solar are like bad liberal pyramid schemes.

Indeed. Solar costs more than fossil fuel heating or cooling - the "savings" is never realized by the customer. The wind turbines (and their blight on the land) is absolutely minimal and never realized by the co-op.

However - and to their "discredit" - Hippies and their children - the "hipsters" are ABSOLUTELY convinced that the science is 100% settled - it is not.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:41 PM   #113
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Bullcrap.

Al Gore Routinely Buys Failing Energy Startups at Junk Status and Claims the Industry is Profitable. It's not

Digging into the numbers, there's razor thin profit margins

The reality is the same as it's always been since day one, Nuclear is the hands-down best alternative to fossil fuels while wind and solar are like bad liberal pyramid schemes.
Startups especially for very capital intensive, immature technologies will undoubtedly struggle. This is nowhere near the tipping point yet. But they haven't had the head start other energy sources have had. What's encouraging is that innovation is occurring at a furious rate, a lot of the innovation barriers have been removed, and there's actual organic motivation to make these things work. For now they have major challenges, but that should change. When? Who's knows. Likely take a while. But there's a reason oil companies are starting to look in the rearview mirror. I dont think it has as much to do with wanting energy to be cleaner, it's that they want it to be smarter.
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