Chiefs Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback so far - Page 9

Deberg_1990 · 05-26-2017, 03:40 PM

When the Chiefs selected Patrick Mahomes II with the 10th overall pick in the NFL Draft — after trading a 2018 first-round pick to do it — it would have been easy for backup quarterback Tyler Bray to mentally go in the tank.

The 25-year-old Bray spent the previous four seasons learning coach Andy Reid’s offense, and the Chiefs still opted to sacrifice premium draft capital to select another young quarterback with traits to mirror Bray’s cannon for an arm and love for the deep ball.

But Bray, an undrafted free agent in 2013, is no stranger to competition. He beat out 2014 fifth-round pick Aaron Murray for the backup job a year ago, though he had the No. 2 spot usurped from him by veteran Nick Foles during training camp.

And Bray functioned as the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback ahead of Mahomes this week during the Chiefs’ first three of 10 voluntary offseason practices. Bray knows that as long as he has a job in the NFL, he has a chance to play.

“It’s the same thing every year — you’ve got to come out there and compete,” Bray said. “We’ve drafted a guy every year … you can’t just sit back (and say) ‘Aw, here we go again.’ I mean, it’s the NFL. They’re going to bring in guys every year that are competing to start.”

Reid emphasized Thursday that Bray again has an opportunity to hold onto the No. 2 job, despite Mahomes’ presence and the fact Bray is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after the season.

“He’s going to compete — I would tell you that’s what he does,” Reid said of Bray. “He’s earned the right to be in that position and now he’s got to maintain it.”

What could complicate things for Bray is that the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback only gets a handful of practice snaps with the starters during the regular season. If the Chiefs are committed to getting Mahomes some snaps, it might make sense to install him as the top backup so he gets meaningful reps with the top offensive players.

But Reid also noted Thursday that young backup quarterbacks can still get on-field practice work during the regular season.

“Where they get their reps is on the scout team,” Reid said. “Then you try to tie that in to what (the first-teamers) do the best way you possibly can.”

Which makes the mental reps the backups take — when they watch starter Alex Smith run the offense — as important as on-field reps. And given the way coaches and teammates have complimented Bray’s improved knowledge of the playbook, it appears he has taken advantage of those mental reps.

For instance, Bray wasn’t asked to execute all of the Chiefs’ offensive concepts in practice last season. But Reid said that is no longer the case.

“For the most part, this is the first time he’s had the whole thing thrown at him and been expected to do it,” Reid said. “He’s doing a nice job with it. Tyler is very much improved from where we initially got him.”

Bray says he’s at the point where he’s able to point out when teammates are lined up incorrectly, even slightly.

“Just detailing where guys are supposed to be lined up,” he said. “Getting them to where they need to be and not just being like ‘Oh, he’s close enough.’”

Reid also praised Bray’s instincts and vision.

“There’s more than just the playbook,” Reid said, “there’s doing the things at the line of scrimmage that we ask him to do and adjustments we ask him to make, and he does well with those things.”

Bray and Mahomes aren’t the only quarterbacks in line behind Smith. Joel Stave, 25, was signed to the practice squad in November and re-signed to a reserve-futures contract in January. He’s 6 feet 5, 230 pounds and has a strong arm.

“He competes … he’s a smart kid and he’s learning,” Reid said. “Is he ‘there’ yet? No, but he’s showing improvement and that’s all you can ask of him until he gets a few more snaps under his belt.”

Stave says he’s primarily working on his footwork, decision-making and knowledge of the offense.

“It’s just a matter of continuing to understand the offense as well as I can,” he said, “and then playing as fast as I can.”

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keg in kc · 05-29-2017, 03:31 PM

This is only news to people without brain cells.

-King- · 05-29-2017, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

It won't last long. Probably second week of TC Mahomes II will secure the #2 and he will be pushing the coaches give him reps with #1s

Lol seriously doubt it unless Bray is absolute trash.
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duncan_idaho · 05-29-2017, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Lol seriously doubt it unless Bray is absolute trash.
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He is.

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Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-29-2017, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

If Bray was worth a shit he would have unseated The ASSman.

Yeah, I'm not buying the whole "Bray finally gets it now"(!)-bullshit either. There is no reason for Mahomes to NOT compete for the #2 slot.

**RealSNR** · 05-29-2017, 04:44 PM

Nick Foles wasn't necessarily a burden to bring aboard for one season, but given the Chiefs have been trying to draft and develop a suitable #2 QB ever since this regime started, it's pretty glaring that they would pull the trigger on Foles when he came by at a fairly inconvenient time for the franchise. We STILL had to make room on the payroll to squeeze him in, and if you've been drafting guys in the 5th round and later for several years in an attempt to find a backup, getting a guy like Foles for one season kind of ****s up everything you were trying to do. You're creating one fewer roster spot to carry over the development of the QBs from year to year, and you only get one season out of it, not multiple.

Was he better than Murray, Bray, and Hogan? Of course he was. But if the Chiefs were at all interested in making use of their investments, signing Foles is a bad idea. The only reason it makes sense is because you say to yourself, "These slapdicks ****ing suck. Time to start over."

I could very easily see the Chiefs getting to training camp with Bray as the 2, and then after one or two preseason games going, "Uhh... this shit can't happen."

Who would be available that they could bring in? No clue. The Nick Foles thing just kind of happened magically for them. I don't know if that would take place again. It's gotta be somebody with a direct link to Reid's offense, because even a veteran with years in a SIMILAR system only has a couple weeks to be BETTER than the guy currently in place who knows the system but can't ****ing play.

jaa1025 · 05-29-2017, 05:15 PM

I dont know why this is a story or people question or have a problem with it. Of course he is 3rd string at this point. He doesn't know the play book and he has to learn how to control a huddle etc.

He will likely begin training camp as the 3rd string and stay that way for at least half of it. If Bray excels, which I think he will, I could see Mahomes stay 3rd string when the season begins.

DRM08 · 01-12-2018, 08:11 PM

This thread is pretty amusing after the Denver game on New Year's Eve. One would think Bray is going to be released after that disastrous performance. They need to find a solid backup for Mahomes.

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-12-2018, 08:12 PM

Bray is gone.

Bray was Naggy’s project.

No Naggy. No Bray.

**MahiMike** · 01-12-2018, 08:23 PM

Really had hopes for Murray. Good news for him he's a natural in front of the camera.

Reerun_KC · 01-12-2018, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

nice input.....

Yeah it was....

Reerun_KC · 01-12-2018, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Good for Bray, they've obviously kept him around for a reason and from the sound of it he has really matured, and has a solid grasp of the offense now

Bray is a giant sack of monkey shit. Solid grasp of the offense? Dear god people. The amount of praise a broke dick gets around here is stunning.

duncan_idaho · 01-13-2018, 01:03 PM

I had forgotten about this thread, and that people actually thought he was going to develop into something other than garbage.

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DRM08 · 01-13-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I had forgotten about this thread, and that people actually thought he was going to develop into something other than garbage.

I will say though...perhaps Bray's best contribution to the team over the long haul will be shitting the bed and allowing Denver to tie that game. Gave Mahomes a 2 minute drill as a rookie against Von Miller. Chiefs success on that drive is something for Pat, Andy, and the rest of the coaches to build on while Pat develops.

**Bwana** · 01-13-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Bray is gone.

Bray was Naggy’s project.

No Naggy. No Bray.

Way past due, but excellent.

**MahiMike** · 01-13-2018, 06:55 PM

Every time I see Mahomes' name I smile a little...

...and pinch myself.

05-26-2017, 03:40 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback so far When the Chiefs selected Patrick Mahomes II with the 10th overall pick in the NFL Draft — after trading a 2018 first-round pick to do it — it would have been easy for backup quarterback Tyler Bray to mentally go in the tank. The 25-year-old Bray spent the previous four seasons learning coach Andy Reid’s offense, and the Chiefs still opted to sacrifice premium draft capital to select another young quarterback with traits to mirror Bray’s cannon for an arm and love for the deep ball. But Bray, an undrafted free agent in 2013, is no stranger to competition. He beat out 2014 fifth-round pick Aaron Murray for the backup job a year ago, though he had the No. 2 spot usurped from him by veteran Nick Foles during training camp. And Bray functioned as the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback ahead of Mahomes this week during the Chiefs’ first three of 10 voluntary offseason practices. Bray knows that as long as he has a job in the NFL, he has a chance to play. “It’s the same thing every year — you’ve got to come out there and compete,” Bray said. “We’ve drafted a guy every year … you can’t just sit back (and say) ‘Aw, here we go again.’ I mean, it’s the NFL. They’re going to bring in guys every year that are competing to start.” Reid emphasized Thursday that Bray again has an opportunity to hold onto the No. 2 job, despite Mahomes’ presence and the fact Bray is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after the season. “He’s going to compete — I would tell you that’s what he does,” Reid said of Bray. “He’s earned the right to be in that position and now he’s got to maintain it.” What could complicate things for Bray is that the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback only gets a handful of practice snaps with the starters during the regular season. If the Chiefs are committed to getting Mahomes some snaps, it might make sense to install him as the top backup so he gets meaningful reps with the top offensive players. But Reid also noted Thursday that young backup quarterbacks can still get on-field practice work during the regular season. “Where they get their reps is on the scout team,” Reid said. “Then you try to tie that in to what (the first-teamers) do the best way you possibly can.” Which makes the mental reps the backups take — when they watch starter Alex Smith run the offense — as important as on-field reps. And given the way coaches and teammates have complimented Bray’s improved knowledge of the playbook, it appears he has taken advantage of those mental reps. For instance, Bray wasn’t asked to execute all of the Chiefs’ offensive concepts in practice last season. But Reid said that is no longer the case. “For the most part, this is the first time he’s had the whole thing thrown at him and been expected to do it,” Reid said. “He’s doing a nice job with it. Tyler is very much improved from where we initially got him.” Bray says he’s at the point where he’s able to point out when teammates are lined up incorrectly, even slightly. “Just detailing where guys are supposed to be lined up,” he said. “Getting them to where they need to be and not just being like ‘Oh, he’s close enough.’” Reid also praised Bray’s instincts and vision. “There’s more than just the playbook,” Reid said, “there’s doing the things at the line of scrimmage that we ask him to do and adjustments we ask him to make, and he does well with those things.” Bray and Mahomes aren’t the only quarterbacks in line behind Smith. Joel Stave, 25, was signed to the practice squad in November and re-signed to a reserve-futures contract in January. He’s 6 feet 5, 230 pounds and has a strong arm. “He competes … he’s a smart kid and he’s learning,” Reid said. “Is he ‘there’ yet? No, but he’s showing improvement and that’s all you can ask of him until he gets a few more snaps under his belt.” Stave says he’s primarily working on his footwork, decision-making and knowledge of the offense. “It’s just a matter of continuing to understand the offense as well as I can,” he said, “and then playing as fast as I can.” http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...152686414.html
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jaa1025 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10000898	I dont know why this is a story or people question or have a problem with it. Of course he is 3rd string at this point. He doesn't know the play book and he has to learn how to control a huddle etc. He will likely begin training camp as the 3rd string and stay that way for at least half of it. If Bray excels, which I think he will, I could see Mahomes stay 3rd string when the season begins.
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