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Old 08-30-2011, 10:11 PM  
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:37 AM   #16
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If he's smart, he won't try to look that way. Being smart and talking a lot doesn't get you anywhere. They (Ron and Rand both) need to find a way to condense the message into smaller bites. People can't focus long enough to understand what they really stand for. Ron Paul would have many more supporters if he could make the message catchy.
It's not about having a catchy message. Ron Paul isn't trying to win an election - that's the point. Sure he wants to win it, but he finds it more important for there to be a real fundamental shift in consciousness - the spirit of 1776. He understands that any gains would be short lived if people didn't truly understand and set their compasses around the kind of liberty that gave us the greatest libertarian accomplishment in the history of man: our constitution. It's not perfect, but it's the crowning achievement of libertarianism, and it only happened because enough dedicated people understood it on a level that soundbites cant touch.

We either get there or we don't. But soundbites aren't the signposts that will point the way. Those go the other direction. Libertarianism requires intellectual rigor and understanding of nuance. It requires true progress.
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Old 08-31-2011, 07:25 AM   #17
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You can't make it catchy. Some things aren't simple simple simple w/ alot of huffing and puffing.


True but the simple minded Democrats don't like thinking....they just want a buzz word or catchy phrase that they can run with like "Big Oil", "Corporate Greed", "Private Jet Tax"...None of them understand what it means but the simpler the better for them.
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Old 08-31-2011, 07:49 AM   #18
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It's not about having a catchy message. Ron Paul isn't trying to win an election - that's the point. Sure he wants to win it, but he finds it more important for there to be a real fundamental shift in consciousness - the spirit of 1776. He understands that any gains would be short lived if people didn't truly understand and set their compasses around the kind of liberty that gave us the greatest libertarian accomplishment in the history of man: our constitution. It's not perfect, but it's the crowning achievement of libertarianism, and it only happened because enough dedicated people understood it on a level that soundbites cant touch.

We either get there or we don't. But soundbites aren't the signposts that will point the way. Those go the other direction. Libertarianism requires intellectual rigor and understanding of nuance. It requires true progress.
I guess we just disagree on this point. I don't think that understanding Libertarian ideas REQUIRES a lot of thought and intellect. I also don't think you have to sacrifice principles to make the message less complex. Why is it anathema to try to condense the ideas into more easily understood phrases? Larry King helped me make this point by something he said in the video. At one point he says something like "I think we're just arguing semantics", if Larry King doesn't have an adequate understanding of the nuance of Libertarianism how can we expect even 30% of the electorate to get it? If people don't get what he's saying then it's not going to change any of the discussions out there because no one will really be listening.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:43 AM   #19
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America will be 3rd world status by 2016, we need big changes next election.
Won't happen. The system we have in place elects people like what we're dealing with. Unless you change that system, you should expect the same results.
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