Who are the most "Dorsey-ish" guys in this draft?

Dante84 · 04-19-2015, 09:50 AM

I went back and found a couple posts I had made about "Dorsey-ish" guys:

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Dorsey drafts on measurables + speed + elite ceiling + strong senior/shrine games performance.

He is willing to overlook injury history and slight character concerns.

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So, Dorsey looks for guys who have to have something elite about them, right? Elite size, or elite speed, or elite stats from college play... Something has to show off the charts, and he's willing to overlook things like injury (davis), or light discipline like smoking weed (gaines)

Fisher: it was his elite potential and long arms; all teams drank the koolaid
Kelce: Elite YAC and hands for a TE
Davis: Elite size & speed combo... That weight and that 40 time together
Johnson: Elite resume (bust)
Ford: Elite first step, elite body of work
Gaines: Elite length, speed, and pbu stats
DAT: Elite speed and wiggle
Murray: Elite resume

Some are reaches, but if I had to sum it up, Dorsey looks for guys who grade a 95+ on some evaluation point. I'm keeping that in mind as we look at guys this week.

Keeping these attributes in mind, and any other patterns you've noticed, Who do you think fits the mold for this year?

Saccopoo · 04-19-2015, 10:11 AM

1. Eric Rowe, CB; Utah
- Nails everything for his position. His initial contact is like getting rocked by a train. He's big (6'1", 205 lb.), strong (19 reps), explosive (39" vertical, 125" broad) fast (4.45 Combine 40), quick (6.70 3 Cone; 3.97 20 shuttle; 11.48 60 shuttle) and he's been very productive over his career. (First Team Freshman All-American, Four year All-Conference.)

Rowe was a top performer in every single combine drill for his position. His overall athletic skill set is extremely rare/elite.

He can play safety and corner and has scheme versatility (Sutton running base as well as a ton of sub-packages.)

He's the complete package.

Direckshun · 04-19-2015, 10:12 AM

Too many to list, so ill just stick with early rounders.

RB:
Gurley

WR:
White
Perriman
Dorsett
Smith

OT:
Clemmings
Humphries
Fisher
Peat

C:
Erving

DL:
Williams
Brown

Passrusher:
Dupree
Gregory
Beasley

ILB:
Anthony

CB:
Waynes
Collins
Jones
Rowe

milkman · 04-19-2015, 10:20 AM

Alvin Dupree and Byron Jones.

Saccopoo · 04-19-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Alvin Dupree and Byron Jones.

Dupree is interesting. His explosive measurements are off the charts, but his quick isn't nearly impressive. In fact, his 3 Cone time is absolutely ****ing horrible (one of the very worst for his position) and his shuttle times are pretty bad as well.

If they draft Dupree, he's going to have to play the dedicated pass rusher as Hali does. That's going to be his one function in the NFL. Pin your ears back and go get the QB son. He's explosive, fast and strong. He'll need to work on a couple of moves to be truly effective, but he could end up being a better version of Tamba Hali if he gets those moves down.

He is not, however, going to be truly effective in space. He's not replacing Houston.

If they are drafting Dupree, it's to build for the future with Ford taking Houston's spot and Dupree taking over for Hali, not the other way around.

Dante84 · 04-19-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Alvin Dupree and Byron Jones.

First time using the GIF-Maker over at Draftbreakdown.com.

Pretty cool feature:

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-19-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Dupree is interesting. His explosive measurements are off the charts, but his quick isn't nearly impressive. In fact, his 3 Cone time is absolutely ****ing horrible (one of the very worst for his position) and his shuttle times are pretty bad as well.

If they draft Dupree, he's going to have to play the dedicated pass rusher as Hali does. That's going to be his one function in the NFL. Pin your ears back and go get the QB son. He's explosive, fast and strong. He'll need to work on a couple of moves to be truly effective, but he could end up being a better version of Tamba Hali if he gets those moves down.

He is not, however, going to be truly effective in space. He's not replacing Houston.

If they are drafting Dupree, it's to build for the future with Ford taking Houston's spot and Dupree taking over for Hali, not the other way around.

I know nothing of Dupree, as I didn't watch any college ball this year.

But the way you describe him, he sounds a lot like Ford - a one-trick pony.

No clue why anyone would expect Ford to replace Houston and be a well rounded LB.

Saccopoo · 04-19-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I know nothing of Dupree, as I didn't watch any college ball this year.

But the way you describe him, he sounds a lot like Ford - a one-trick pony.

No clue why anyone would expect Ford to replace Houston and be a well rounded LB.

Ford was a lot like Houston at the same stage, were actually used the same and they have a lot of the same physical characteristics/ability/athleticism. Both Ford and Houston read the snap extremely well and come off the ball with power and speed.

Fast, strong and relatively agile. Ford does have the physical skill set to be that "well rounded" OLB in the mold of a Justin Houston.

Ford was Houston insurance, much in the same way that Fisher was Albert insurance.

He was not drafted to replace Hali.

If they pick Dupree, that's to eventually replace Hali. Both are very similar players. Hard working, team leaders that are their most effective using a speed bull rush as a dedicated right side Jack/Joker/Falcon/Elephant/Whatever OLB.

jonzie04 · 04-19-2015, 11:48 AM

trying to think of similar players

ford and fisher -athletes with elite physical traits and high upside
armstead, clemmings, dupree, perriman, gurley

knile -ridiculous athlete who fell due to injuries
gurley, smelter

gaines, ldt -great athletes from smaller schools
ali marpet, tre mcbride, jaquiski tartt

aaron murray,-extremely productive college player maybe lacking a few physical traits
justin hardy, ifo ekpre, paul dawson

zach fulton -blue collar quality college player
zach vigil, kenny bell (maybe not so much after his combine)

i'm sure these guys can fit into all types of categories. knile could have just been a great sized athlete with some size, and in that case guys like byron jones, chris conley, and darren waller would fit the bill.

OldSchool · 04-19-2015, 01:14 PM

Dorsett and Perriman at WR. If they want someone like Maclin, then I would say Agholor as well.

Cam Erving, very versatile OL player, Collins as well but he won't be there when we pick.

Steven Nelson as a slot guy who can kick outside. Eric Rowe (versatile and great athlete) or Trae Waynes (great athlete and top man corner) up top for future starters.

Beasley at OLB. I would say McKinney as well.

Henry Anderson at DE.

There are tons that fit.

Saccopoo · 04-19-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

trying to think of similar players

ford and fisher -athletes with elite physical traits and high upside
armstead, clemmings, dupree, perriman, gurley

knile -ridiculous athlete who fell due to injuries
gurley, smelter

gaines, ldt -great athletes from smaller schools
ali marpet, tre mcbride, jaquiski tartt

aaron murray,-extremely productive college player maybe lacking a few physical traits
justin hardy, ifo ekpre, paul dawson

zach fulton -blue collar quality college player
zach vigil, kenny bell (maybe not so much after his combine)

i'm sure these guys can fit into all types of categories. knile could have just been a great sized athlete with some size, and in that case guys like byron jones, chris conley, and darren waller would fit the bill.

Good list/comparisons.

Direckshun · 04-19-2015, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Ford was a lot like Houston at the same stage, were actually used the same and they have a lot of the same physical characteristics/ability/athleticism. Both Ford and Houston read the snap extremely well and come off the ball with power and speed.

Fast, strong and relatively agile. Ford does have the physical skill set to be that "well rounded" OLB in the mold of a Justin Houston.

Ford was Houston insurance, much in the same way that Fisher was Albert insurance.

He was not drafted to replace Hali.

If they pick Dupree, that's to eventually replace Hali. Both are very similar players. Hard working, team leaders that are their most effective using a speed bull rush as a dedicated right side Jack/Joker/Falcon/Elephant/Whatever OLB.

Uhhhhh....

Houston was a complete OLB at Georgia. Played the run very well, dropped into coverage okay.

Ford had like 30 tackles his senior year, and 11 of them were sacks. Guy was useless at Auburn at anything other than rushing the passer.

The only place they were similar was in passrushing. Both Houston and Ford were one-trick ponies using great speed off the edge.

I think that Ford can be coached up, but to say Ford=Houston as college players is inaccurate.

Direckshun · 04-19-2015, 07:06 PM

Probably worth knowing Will Tye, TE out of Stony Brook, people.

He's 6'3", 260, and runs a 4.5 40. Insane physical tools, was a Florida State recruit who was unhappy with his playing time.

RunKC · 04-19-2015, 10:16 PM

A guy to keep an eye on is Tyler Kroft TE Rutgers in the mid rounds.

6'5" 250 lbs. Ran a 4.67 and 4.75 40 at his pro day. Dude is a good blocker who loves to hit and an excellent receiver. In fact he played receiver one season. They used him all over the place at Rutgers. Outside, in line and slot.
His coach is now an NFL TE's coach as well.

Oh, and his player comparison? Travis Kelce

Dante84 · 05-01-2015, 08:58 AM

Peters fits the mold.

Stay true to your heart Dorsey.

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Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	1. Eric Rowe, CB; Utah - Nails everything for his position. His initial contact is like getting rocked by a train. He's big (6'1", 205 lb.), strong (19 reps), explosive (39" vertical, 125" broad) fast (4.45 Combine 40), quick (6.70 3 Cone; 3.97 20 shuttle; 11.48 60 shuttle) and he's been very productive over his career. (First Team Freshman All-American, Four year All-Conference.) Rowe was a top performer in every single combine drill for his position. His overall athletic skill set is extremely rare/elite. He can play safety and corner and has scheme versatility (Sutton running base as well as a ton of sub-packages.) He's the complete package. Last edited by Saccopoo; 04-19-2015 at 10:42 AM..
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jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5826817	trying to think of similar players ford and fisher -athletes with elite physical traits and high upside armstead, clemmings, dupree, perriman, gurley knile -ridiculous athlete who fell due to injuries gurley, smelter gaines, ldt -great athletes from smaller schools ali marpet, tre mcbride, jaquiski tartt aaron murray,-extremely productive college player maybe lacking a few physical traits justin hardy, ifo ekpre, paul dawson zach fulton -blue collar quality college player zach vigil, kenny bell (maybe not so much after his combine) i'm sure these guys can fit into all types of categories. knile could have just been a great sized athlete with some size, and in that case guys like byron jones, chris conley, and darren waller would fit the bill.
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