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Run, run and more run. Keep it on the ground. Pound it out. 12 18.18%
Run and pass. Play action and screens to confuse The Enemy. 52 78.79%
Air it out, baby. Throw the ball against that crappy pass D. 1 1.52%
Bite me, Gaz, the D will carry the day without the O 1 1.52%
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Old 10-28-2004, 08:25 AM  
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Old 10-28-2004, 11:36 AM   #31
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Mr. Coogs. With all respect, I am not suggesting that anything is "broken". Far from it.

I am suggesting, however, that it is an open question as to whether or not the impressive dominance of the Chiefs run blocking last Sunday will be attributed (by Dungy and staff) at least in part to the defensive scheme run by Atlanta. If that is the case, one might reasonably assume that when Dungy attempts to take "something" away from the Chief's Offense, he will choose the run. Were I preparing for the Chiefs this week, I would focus on taking away (or at least limiting) the Chiefs run game as much as possible. Who wouldn't?

Given that assumption, the short and intermediate passing game to Richardson, Gonzales, and Dunn emerges as a very interesting counter since the opposing linebackers may well be preoccupied with the line of scrimmage.

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Old 10-28-2004, 11:39 AM   #32
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Sorry! I wasn't responding to your post. In fact, I haven't had time to read any of the responses. I was just responding to Gaz's original question.
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Old 10-28-2004, 11:40 AM   #33
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Mr. Gaz, my compliments to you on your poll. The options you have chosen are inciteful. I am particularly pleased that the "bite me" option has received no votes as yet.

My analysis is as follows:

I watched the second half of the Atlanta game last night and noticed that, almost without exception, Atlanta's defense was playing with only 4 to 5 men in the box. Indeed, often their linebackers were some 5 to 7 yards off the line of scrimmage even though the Chiefs had run through their 4/3 defense throughout the afternoon. Can it not be assumed that Tony Dungy and his staff have also seen this strategy and may consider this approach as the weakness in Atlanta's defensive scheme that led to 8 rushing touchdowns?

Therefore, one might assume that Dungy will stack the line, run blitz, and generally pin his fortunes on stopping the run. If this is indeed his strategy, and considering the general ineffectiveness of the Indy pass defense, Saunders & Co. may find that the short to intermediate passing game off the play action might result in clock control and field position which, in any event, will likely be the key to the game.

It would come as no surprise to me if Tony Richardson caught 15 balls in this game.

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If they start stacking the box and run blitzing then we need to be finding Tony G down the seam. I also think we finally saw that there are still some screen passes in the scheme, we need to get back to that as well. Basically, if they want to stack the box, we invite them into the backfield and then use the short passing game in lieu of the running game. Once we get them back off the line, we go back to the running game we all saw last week.

And of course, the occasional deep ball to Kennison to keep the safeties honest!
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Old 10-28-2004, 11:42 AM   #34
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Old 10-28-2004, 11:45 AM   #35
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I would run, draw or screen when they expect pass.

I would pass on first down, every other time. Run the rest of the time.
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Old 10-28-2004, 11:48 AM   #36
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Mr. Hydrae. I completly agree with your analysis. Although I can't help but envision Tony Richardson also slipping off linebackers on play action into the middle and the flat for consistent gains of 8 to 12 yards due to the respect Indy must now pay to the run.

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Old 10-28-2004, 11:50 AM   #37
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Mr. Coogs. With all respect, I am not suggesting that anything is "broken". Far from it.

I am suggesting, however, that it is an open question as to whether or not the impressive dominance of the Chiefs run blocking last Sunday will be attributed (by Dungy and staff) at least in part to the defensive scheme run by Atlanta. If that is the case, one might reasonably assume that when Dungy attempts to take "something" away from the Chief's Offense, he will choose the run. Were I preparing for the Chiefs this week, I would focus on taking away (or at least limiting) the Chiefs run game as much as possible. Who wouldn't?

Given that assumption, the short and intermediate passing game to Richardson, Gonzales, and Dunn emerges as a very interesting counter since the opposing linebackers may well be preoccupied with the line of scrimmage.

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It's not reasonable to ASSume you know Dungy's strategy unless your his monkey (that little dude on his shoulder). You're better off just saying what you mean.
Why not the obvious? Run the ball. Run over Waters, Roaf, Shields, Weigman and Welbourne. From this all else is possible. I would stick with the run even if the Colts stack the line with success early. This team needs an identity to emerge. That would be a dominant running game that says to the other team "Stop Us". Enough of this over-scheming crap. Jam It Down Their Throats First. If we can't do that in our own house then go to the passing game --as a last resort.


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Old 10-28-2004, 12:10 PM   #38
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Mr. Straight, No Chaser. Any offense you have taken from my analysis was unintentional, I assure you.

Perhaps this will help. Based on Mr. Gaz's question, "Got a plan?", I suggested one. It is an approach to countering what "one might reasonably assume" will be the opponent's scheme to address the rushing dominance displayed in last week's game. Can you not agree that any opponent would now be concerned with our running attack? Are you aware of any methods that remain unmentioned for accomplishing this objective?

I actually agree with you that the Chiefs need an identity and I would like to believe that that identity could be our OL and Priest coming with an unstoppable run game each and every week.

This is, nonetheless, the NFL and strategy has always been a part of the game. Mr. Gaz posed the question, "Got a plan?". I "got" one.

And, to your point, allow me to respectfully submit that I am no one's "monkey". My words are thoughtfully chosen and carefully considered. Perhaps you should display similar restraint when proffering cross-species insults.

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Old 10-28-2004, 12:11 PM   #39
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Mr. Nightfyre, you raise an interesting point.

To wit: I also noticed that, in the Atlanta game, Priest was not "breaking" many tackles. Often he didn't have to. In fact (although I have no proof), it appeared that when Priest realized he had maximized the line of gain, he chose to go down, protect the ball, and live to run another down/day.

In my humble opinion, there are really two issues here; 1) Should we assume that the OL, TEs, and FB have the ability to continue to open seams for Priest when the DL is stacked or 2) Should we anticipate the Indy scheme and attack the weakness exposed by both their strategy and their inherent defensive weakness.

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First 15 plays as scripted by me:
1) The bomb to Kennison/Hall
2) Dive (2 Hole) (sets up sweep)
3) Sweep (left side) (Indy loads box)
4) Dive (left side)
5) PA Screen to Holmes in middle (we could run this play over and over and nobody could stop it last year)
6) Sweep (Right Side, keep em honest)
7) PA Outside Post to Gonzo
8) Flea flicker deep...
9) Sideline route to Morton
10) Dive (4 Hole)
11) Dive (4 Hole)
12) Sweep (Right Side)
13) Sweep (Left Side)
14) PA pass to Richardson
15) Dive (3 Hole)
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Old 10-28-2004, 12:15 PM   #41
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Old 10-28-2004, 12:17 PM   #42
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It would come as no surprise to me if Tony Richardson caught 15 balls in this game.

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If TR catches 15 balls in Sundays game, this place would probably melt down. Considering we should only throw it about 25-28 times, most of those throws should be aimed at Gonzo, Priest, and Morton.
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Old 10-28-2004, 12:24 PM   #43
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Mr. Coogs. With all respect, I am not suggesting that anything is "broken". Far from it.

I am suggesting, however, that it is an open question as to whether or not the impressive dominance of the Chiefs run blocking last Sunday will be attributed (by Dungy and staff) at least in part to the defensive scheme run by Atlanta.

Comming into the game last Sunday, Atlanta was the #1 RUN DEFENSE in the entire NFL. I doubt they abandoned their scheme for the Chiefs and our less than pro bowl quality WR corp. I don't watch Falcon games, so I don't know what they usually do.

What I do know is that the Chiefs O-line dominated the Ravens and the Falcons. And since they are supposed to be two of the top defenses in the league, I would suggest we use the same approach until someone (team) proves they have the formula to stop it.

So far the only one I have seen capiable of stopping our offense has been AS.
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Old 10-28-2004, 12:28 PM   #44
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Mr Coogs. No doubt you are correct. 15 catches for TR is a great number.

However, perhaps you will be kind enough to consider that, 1) If the offensive scheme I am proposing comes to fruition, TR can get open early and often by brushing linebackers and finding open space, 2) Who would have thought we would score 8 rushing touchdowns on Atlanta's vaunted rushing D?, 3) Are we convinced in Morton and Kennison's ability to make a difference in a win?, and 4) My expectation is that it is likely that TG will see quite a bit of double coverage.

Yet, your point is well taken. Perhaps I am a lowly "homer"?

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Old 10-28-2004, 12:32 PM   #45
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