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Old 05-24-2009, 09:15 PM  
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Rachel Madcow is, well, mad...at Obummer.

Finally, Libs are starting to wake the fugg up. Not on this board, of course, but in the real world.

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Old 05-25-2009, 11:29 AM   #31
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Oh, I've watched Rachel since the beginning. When she was still a peon on Olbermann's show. Then she made a name for herself salivating all over Obama while simultaneously blasting all things Clinton. For her efforts, KO had Dan Abrams (the most objective anchor on MSNBC) fired and his spot awarded to Madcow. She, like Olbermann, pimped Obama endlessly and ruthlessly with the occasional and obligatory pregnant pause just to show they were not totally in the can for the man.

Now, she's got egg on her face because she actually bought into the fraud and will really have a cow when he doesn't do a damn thing to help gays in the military and fuggs her on a cause most dear to her heart.
All insults no decent argument. You're such a con in that you label anybody who supported or voted for Obama an O-bot. There's no grey area in your world Obama supporters don't criticize him and then it shocks you when you realize how full of shit you are.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:36 AM   #32
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Maybe you should think through these things before you speak in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superma...max_facilities
Prisons with supermax facilities

[edit] United States
Most of these facilities only contain supermax wings or sections, with other parts of the facility under lesser security measures.

U.S. Penitentiary Florence ADMAX (Administrative Maximum) Facility - Florence, Colorado (entirely Supermax)
United States Penitentiary - Marion, Illinois (Downgraded to a medium-security facility in September 2006)[citation needed]
Alcatraz Island - San Francisco, California (Closed March 21, 1962)
USP Tucson - Tucson, Arizona
Holman Correctional Facility - Atmore, Alabama
ASPC-Eyman, SMU II - Florence, Arizona
Varner Supermax - Grady, Arkansas
Pelican Bay State Prison - Crescent City, California
California State Prison, Corcoran - Corcoran, California
United States Penitentiary - Atwater, California
United States Penitentiary - Coleman, Florida
United States Penitentiary - Atlanta, Georgia
Tamms Correctional Center - Tamms, Illinois
Wabash Valley Correctional Facility, SHU - Carlisle, Indiana
Westville Correctional Facility, WCU - Westville, Indiana
United States Penitentiary - Terre Haute, Indiana
United States Penitentiary - Leavenworth, Kansas (being downgraded to medium security)
United States Disciplinary Barracks, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas (military prison)
Maine State Prison - Warren, Maine
Maryland Correctional Adjustment Center - Baltimore, Maryland
Minnesota Correctional Facility - Oak Park Heights - Stillwater, Minnesota
Mississippi State Penitentiary - Parchman, Mississippi
Northern Correctional Institution - Somers, Connecticut
Florida State Prison - Raiford, Florida
United States Penitentiary - Allenwood, Pennsylvania
Sing Sing Correctional Facility - Ossining, New York
Ohio State Penitentiary - Youngstown, Ohio
Idaho Maximum Security Institution - Boise, Idaho
Oklahoma State Penitentiary - McAlester, Oklahoma
United States Penitentiary - Lewisburg, Pennsylvania
Riverbend Maximum Security Institution - Nashville, Tennessee
Polunsky Unit - Livingston, Texas
United States Penitentiary - Beaumont, Texas
Utah State Prison - Draper, Utah
Wallens Ridge State Prison - Big Stone Gap, Virginia
Red Onion State Prison - Pound, Virginia
Ionia Maximum Correctional Facility - Ionia, Michigan
Mt. Olive Correctional Complex - Fayette County, West Virginia
Wisconsin Secure Program Facility - Boscobel, Wisconsin
North Branch Correctional Institution - Cumberland, Maryland (final housing unit will begin operation in summer of 2008)
New Hampshire State Prison - Men - Concord, New Hampshire
Massachusetts Correctional Institution - Cedar Junction - Walpole, Massachusetts
Attica Correctional Facility - Attica, New York
Upstate Correctional Facility - Malone, New York
To be fair, several of those don't belong on your list, since he was speaking specifically about federal prisons and quite a few of these are state facilities. I'd disallow military prisons as well, but that's just me.

Florence is the only one that is entirely Supermax. I think you guys have to split this tackle.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:42 AM   #33
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. ..do you honestly think repeating this over and over really means anything?

if anything, you're the one who can't let go of Hillary.
There thousands of frumpy bitter housewives that are still mad about Obama defeating Hillary. If you can't see that you are delusional.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:45 AM   #34
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There thousands of frumpy bitter housewives that are still mad about Obama defeating Hillary. If you can't see that you are delusional.
Exactly that's why you can't take any of these threads seriously. There's no objective or constructive criticism. There's just bitterness that a woman didn't get elected first.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:45 AM   #35
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honest liberals are realizing that they elected someon who is indeed a leftist radical as they had hoped, but who is beholden to politics first.

He takes care of himself first, and then if he has time, he might throw you a bone.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:48 AM   #36
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For my part, I've been pretty critical of most of his major policy moves. He was dealt a poor hand, but I don't like the choices and people he's cozied up to so far to try to get out of it. He's got time to redeem himself in my eyes, but he's got to work himself back.
Me too. heh.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:48 AM   #37
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1st of all give them a trial to you know actually make sure they are guilty?
And how do you do that without compromising national security?
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:53 AM   #38
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What "lie" are you referring to in connection with a major policy initiative to date?
For one thing, his promise to close Guantanamo. Surely when he made that promise, the reasonable inference was that he was going to not only close that particular facility, but also that he was going to put an end to that style of detention. It remains to be seen if he will actually close the facility (which is a barebones minimum to even pretend he kept that promise with a straight face), but he's already embraced most of the rest of the Bush detention policy in all but the most superficial ways from rendition, to indefinite detention without trial, to military commissions, to leaving harsh interrogation techniques (minus waterboarding) on the table for future use.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:55 AM   #39
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For one thing, his promise to close Guantanamo. Surely when he made that promise, the reasonable inference was that he was going to not only close that particular facility, but also that he was going to put an end to that style of detention. It remains to be seen if he will actually close the facility (which is a barebones minimum to even pretend he kept that promise with a straight face), but he's already embraced most of the rest of the Bush detention policy in all but the most superficial ways from rendition, to indefinite detention without trial, to military commissions, to leaving harsh interrogation techniques (minus waterboarding) on the table for future use.
but, you approve of these measures, correct?
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:56 AM   #40
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There thousands of frumpy bitter housewives that are still mad about Obama defeating Hillary. If you can't see that you are delusional.
BS. It's irrelevant..and it's funny that the only ones who usually bring her up is...the left.

talk about delusional...
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And how do you do that without compromising national security?
Who cares? The terrorists' rights are more important. Our government was established to protect the rights of terrorists, not to protect and defend the homeland.
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But, my ideals and principles like holding people against their will without charges or having their day in court is facing a real world problem. Do I release my enemy to possible kill again because the cops/military screwed up the arrest or tortured the person?
It's awesome that you finally recognize that there's a real world out there. Better late than never, I suppose.
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Bravo deneocon maybe you're waking up and beginning to realize that somebody who votes and supported obama isn't automatically an o-bot.
memyselfi is about as far from a neocon as you can get. She's one of the few around here who has maintained a principled anti-neocon, non-conservative position on politics from the beginning without ever even admitting that we live in a real world like BRC just did.
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Still waiting? No one? Bueller...Bueller...
Hold them at Gitmo as long as necessary, duh.
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but, you approve of these measures, correct?
To the extent that he's maintaining grown-up, Bush policies that are cognizant of the real world, of course I do.
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