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Old 05-24-2009, 09:15 PM  
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Rachel Madcow is, well, mad...at Obummer.

Finally, Libs are starting to wake the fugg up. Not on this board, of course, but in the real world.

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Old 05-25-2009, 12:02 PM   #46
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It's awesome that you finally recognize that there's a real world out there. Better late than never, I suppose.
Now, we just gotta wait for you to come around to the real world too.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:03 PM   #47
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memyselfi is about as far from a neocon as you can get. She's one of the few around here who has maintained a principled anti-neocon, non-conservative position on politics from the beginning without ever even admitting that we live in a real world like BRC just did.
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She disagrees with Obama, ergo: neocon, Halliburton, Diebold, big corporation, war-profiteering!!!
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:04 PM   #48
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It's awesome that you finally recognize that there's a real world out there. Better late than never, I suppose.
Its interesting to watch Obama have the same realization. I had hoped he had a better understanding of things before getting elected.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:05 PM   #49
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Now, we just gotta wait for you to come around to the real world too.
Brilliant insight. We can always count on you to add to the discourse with a fresh perspective. I'm a little disappointed that you didn't post a 5 page article to go with your emoticon, though.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:06 PM   #50
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Its interesting to watch Obama have the same realization. I had hoped he had a better understanding of things before getting elected.
I seem to remember Hillary mentioning something about this during the primaries.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:09 PM   #51
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Hold them at Gitmo as long as necessary, duh.
Maybe Gitmo would be more acceptable if the chaps being held had some project to work on that builds some self esteem. I was wondering about that and teach them a trade they could fall back on later in life so they wouldnt feel like a life as a terrorist was their only good job.

Why cant the USDA go in with a little grant money and have Iowa State build a Hog production facility? The Chaps could work, raise some nice pigs and the meat used to feed the soldiers stationed at Gitmo.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:11 PM   #52
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It's awesome that you finally recognize that there's a real world out there. Better late than never, I suppose.
Bush was at fault here. They should have never been put in Gitmo to start with. Should have just built a jail or used a jail in Iraq or afganistan. Taking them to U.S. soil opened up this pandoras box.

Whats Obama to do? release terriosts that have sworn to kill Americans as soon as they are released?
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:16 PM   #54
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Maybe Gitmo would be more acceptable if the chaps being held had some project to work on that builds some self esteem. I was wondering about that and teach them a trade they could fall back on later in life so they wouldnt feel like a life as a terrorist was their only good job.

Why cant the USDA go in with a little grant money and have Iowa State build a Hog production facility? The Chaps could work, raise some nice pigs and the meat used to feed the soldiers stationed at Gitmo.
and if the inmates ....are restless... the threat of pig blood.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:17 PM   #55
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Who cares? The terrorists' rights are more important. Our government was established to protect the rights of terrorists, not to protect and defend the homeland.
U.S. citizens have those rights not terriosts. No one is saying terriosts have the same rights as U.S. citzens just because they are in U.S. custody.
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Its interesting to watch Obama have the same realization. I had hoped he had a better understanding of things before getting elected.
it was about GETTING ELECTED... Ideology was in the way. Now the reality of the job is really hitting home.
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U.S. citizens have those rights not terriosts. No one is saying terriosts have the same rights as U.S. citzens just because they are in U.S. custody.
Please point out where in the constitution or bill of rights that it makes a designation of the US government being bound to apply the law only in regards to it's citizens and none other? IMO, those documents are as much directed at what the government can or cannot do equally, if not more, than they are what a particular person is entitled too.

BTW, have you let the USSC know that the laws don't apply to non-citizens as they keep ruling that they do because it's the US government they are subjecting to upholding the law and not the citizenship of an individual.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:26 PM   #58
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it was about GETTING ELECTED... Ideology was in the way. Now the reality of the job is really hitting home.
It's not hitting home. He's already got what he wanted.

It's like lying to a woman you meet by telling her how well endowed and good in bed you are. By the time she finds out you're lying, it's too late.
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it was about GETTING ELECTED... Ideology was in the way. Now the reality of the job is really hitting home.
Bring a strict idealogue and releasing the most dangerous terroists to kill more Americans would be asine. Holding people without trial or charges is an ahorrent to us but whats the alternative?
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Please point out where in the constitution or bill of rights that it makes a designation of the US government being bound to apply the law only in regards to it's citizens and none other? IMO, those documents are as much directed at what the government can or cannot do equally, if not more, than they are what a particular person is entitled too.

BTW, have you let the USSC know that the laws don't apply to non-citizens because they keep ruling that they do because it's the US government they are subjecting to upholding the law and not the citizenship of an individual.
I'm no lawyer nor do I play one on TV. But, as f\ar as I'm concerned, the only laws that apply to the terriosts is international law and or any treaty's we have signed. And I say a big FU to anything the UN does like pass a resolution to release the terriosts.
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