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Old 05-24-2009, 09:15 PM  
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Rachel Madcow is, well, mad...at Obummer.

Finally, Libs are starting to wake the fugg up. Not on this board, of course, but in the real world.

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Old 05-25-2009, 12:36 PM   #61
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Bring a strict idealogue and releasing the most dangerous terroists to kill more Americans would be asine. Holding people without trial or charges is an ahorrent to us but whats the alternative?
Holding a terrorist is abhorrent?
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:45 PM   #62
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Bush was at fault here. They should have never been put in Gitmo to start with. Should have just built a jail or used a jail in Iraq or afganistan. Taking them to U.S. soil opened up this pandoras box.

Whats Obama to do? release terriosts that have sworn to kill Americans as soon as they are released?
Gitmo was no more US soil than any American built/controlled prison in Iraq or Afghanistan would have been. In fact, until Justice Kennedy, who decided to swing left instead of right at that particular moment, decided that Gitmo was "US soil" it was generally believed to be foreign soil.

Leaving that aside though, I see that your heartfelt "ideals and principles" only go so far though. Maybe you should take a minute and think about what those ideals and principles really are. By what principle do you distinguish between Gitmo and a different US prison at a different foreign location?
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:47 PM   #63
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Holding a terrorist is abhorrent?
Holding human beings without trial or a chance to repudiate the charges against them is abhorrant.

Is there a difference between a petty thief and a terriost, yes IMHO.

So we don't apply the same principles to to the terriost that we would to the petty thief. Again, the real world must be dealt with and we can't just say release the terriost because we can't convict them in a court of law or holding a person without charges or rights is against our beliefs.

Causing the future death of Americans is against our beliefs too.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:49 PM   #64
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memyselfi is about as far from a neocon as you can get. She's one of the few around here who has maintained a principled anti-neocon, non-conservative position on politics from the beginning without ever even admitting that we live in a real world like BRC just did.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:49 PM   #65
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Gitmo was no more US soil than any American built/controlled prison in Iraq or Afghanistan would have been. In fact, until Justice Kennedy, who decided to swing left instead of right at that particular moment, decided that Gitmo was "US soil" it was generally believed to be foreign soil.

Leaving that aside though, I see that your heartfelt "ideals and principles" only go so far though. Maybe you should take a minute and think about what those ideals and principles really are. By what principle do you distinguish between Gitmo and a different US prison at a different foreign location?
Gitmo is U.S. soil. Period.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:54 PM   #66
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Holding a terrorist is abhorrent?
The US government breaking it's own laws and ignoring it's constitution IS abhorrent even if it's a means to an end. It's a slippery slope. It starts with terrorists and then...
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at the idea of me being a Neocon. The anti-war human rights activist MUST be a neocon because she disagrees with what Bush Lite is doing.
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Gitmo is U.S. soil. Period.
Part of the problem here might by your willingness to accept liberal orthodoxy without a hint of critical thought.
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at the idea of me being a Neocon. The anti-war human rights activist MUST be a neocon because she disagrees with what Bush Lite is doing.
I've never seen a word as misused as that one, except maybe "love", as in, "sure I love you, babe".
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:47 PM   #71
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A happy liberal is one who accepts. Thinking leads to doubts.
I consider myself blissfully and skeptically liberal.

What does that do to your theory?
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I consider myself blissfully and skeptically liberal.

What does that do to your theory?
Thats a good question. I dont think you are liberal. Clearly you think and that doesnt fit. Are you a neolib? maybe a LiboCon?
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at the idea of me being a Neocon. The anti-war human rights activist MUST be a neocon because she disagrees with what Bush Lite is doing.
Posting a bunch of bitter tripe on a messageboard doesn't make you an activist. You're simplemindedness is what makes you a neocon.
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Oh, I get it. Instead of saying "Obama", you replace the last part with "bummer" to emphasize the fact that you are not satisfied with his presidency. It's a play on words. People know how you feel about him with just a small change of his name! That's why it's funny!
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Oh, I get it. Instead of saying "Obama", you replace the last part with "bummer" to emphasize the fact that you are not satisfied with his presidency. It's a play on words. People know how you feel about him with just a small change of his name! That's why it's funny!
It's what makes her an activist. Remember if you give Obama any credit that makes you an O-bot.
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