Chiefs Chiefs' winning streak masks sputtering offense - Page 4

oaklandhater · 11-17-2016, 01:10 AM

http://www.wfmz.com/sports/chiefs-wi...ense/165501605

By: The Sports Xchange
Posted: Nov 16, 2016 07:17 PM EST
Updated: Nov 16, 2016 07:17 PM EST

Given the circumstances of the past year, it seems there's only the slightest chance the Kansas City Chiefs will lose during the regular season.

Ten consecutive victories at the end of the 2015 season were followed by a 7-2 record over the current schedule; no team in the NFL can match that type of winning ... during the regular season. Those 17 wins are three more than Seattle (14-4-1) and four ahead of New England (13-6) and Denver (13-7) in that time span.

Andy Reid and his staff have produced a balanced team on both offense and defense, that's been the textbook definition of complementary football. They are the NFL's under-the-radar contender, with few superstars on the roster.

But a five-game winning streak has provided a bit of cover for a large and nasty looking pimple growing on the Chiefs' 2016 season. Reid's offense is struggling to score points, with just one touchdown over the last two games. Kansas City has not reached the end zone in its last seven quarters of play.

"Three weeks ago we were kind of right there doing our thing, doing well in the third down and doing well in the red zone," Reid said. "Our third-down percentage the last two weeks has just been terrible. We have to take care of that first."

They are now ranked No. 26 in offensive yards at 332.8 yards per game. The Chiefs have 16 offensive touchdowns, ranking them No. 27 in the league.

And, there are those pesky third down and red zone problems that were very visible in the 20-17 victory over Carolina last Sunday.

On third downs, they converted just twice in 12 chances, an ugly 17 percent conversion rate. The Chiefs made three trips inside the Carolina 20-yard line. In six plays there, they gained just three yards. Quarterback Alex Smith did not complete any of his four passes. They settled for three field goals.

For the 2016 season, they are in the No. 29 spot among the league's 32 teams on third downs, with an overall conversion rate of 34.7 percent. They are tied for No. 30 in touchdown success in the red zone, with 12 scores on 30 opportunities or 40 percent of the time. Only Washington carries a lower touchdown percentage at 38.9 percent.

"I felt like we've been out of character the last two of weeks," said Smith, who missed the Jacksonville game after taking two blows to the head in the previous game. "I think everyone on offense would agree. I think we all want to get back to our form and play the way we're capable of.

"It's a lot of things, being better on first and second down. It's also critical situations like third down and red zone. Those are difference-makers in games. If you play well on those downs, your chances of winning greatly increase."

The Chiefs seldom turn the ball over - just one turnover in the five-game streak and only eight on the season - and pass protection has improved as they've allowed nine sacks in the five victories.

It's penalties that have hurt the offense, putting the Chiefs in bad third down situations and keeping them out of the end zone. Over the last two games, Kansas City picked up a first down only three times in 26 third down chances.

"We have these third and gazillion yards," Reid said. "There have been too many penalties that are working into that and putting us into long yardage situations. We have to take care of that first.

"We have to stay aggressive in the red zone. But there is a time and place to check it down or run it; I have to make sure I'm giving the guys the opportunity to do that."

rico · 11-17-2016, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

this is pretty well what it comes down to, sadly...

it's as if "your opinion is duly noted" does not exist here.

Over and over and over.. the same crying from the same dipshits. Yes, we all get it. The offense is not performing to expectations. Yes, the QB is not performing to expectations.. and it could might maybe possibly keep KC from venturing all the way to a SB.

We HEAR YOU.... so stop beating this same dead horse. The O will either improve.. or it won't.. and they will either move on from the QB... or they won't.

.. but the repetitive crybaby shit is so played out.

(obviously not directed AT you, Dart)

Boy this is ironic. Over and over and over the same dipshit Alexuals making Alexcuses.

**ptlyon** · 11-17-2016, 08:40 AM

That article was pretty long, all it really had to say was "Alex Smith sucks".

Sandy Vagina · 11-17-2016, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rico

Boy this is ironic. Over and over and over the same dipshit Alexuals making Alexcuses.

Not one excuse had been made from me here in that post.. so the word you are looking for is not ironic.. but indicative.. indicative post from you that you really are mentally limited.

Any reasonable person would admit that the same crying about the offense has gotten old. Everyone agrees they need to play better or make changes.

So all of this repetitive drama is boring and lame.

Mr. Plow · 11-17-2016, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

it's as if "your opinion is duly noted" does not exist here.

Over and over and over.. the same crying from the same dipshits. Yes, we all get it. The offense is not performing to expectations. Yes, the QB is not performing to expectations.. and it could might maybe possibly keep KC from venturing all the way to a SB.

We HEAR YOU.... so stop beating this same dead horse. The O will either improve.. or it won't.. and they will either move on from the QB... or they won't.

.. but the repetitive crybaby shit is so played out.

(obviously not directed AT you, Dart)

It's almost like you are completely ignoring reading the same stuff..... over and over and over and over..... from the same "dipshits" on the other side of the argument as well. Almost.

Since the offensive struggles and Smith are off the table, can you tell us what we can talk about? It would be a lot easier if you just provided a list to everyone of the acceptable topics of discussion.

O.city · 11-17-2016, 08:55 AM

If the offense doesn't get better they won't win in January's big games. They sure as shit ain't going into NE and winning with a pop gun offense.

It's time to stop playing like scared pussies and get their shit together

**jjchieffan** · 11-17-2016, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I already defended my position. What good does it do to get so ****ing angry about the situation?

All you and your ilk do is go on and on and on and on and on about how much Alex sucks. Good God, give it a rest.

This is the whole issue. It's not that all of us are blind homers that don't see the [roblems on this team. I think that every one of us would like to see more production from the offense and to have an elite franchise quarterback. However, we just don't see the point in belaboring the issue to the ends of the earth. You guys do it in every single thread. Berry won player of the wee thread...Good thing Berry stepped up to make up for our shortcomings at quarterback....Is the Chiefs defense best in the league? It has to be for Smith to win....I haven't been in the Let's talk about guns thread, but I bet that someone has compared Smith to a shotgun because he is only good in short range. Come on guys. We get it and we agree. We just get sick of hearing about it.

Sandy Vagina · 11-17-2016, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

It's almost like you are completely ignoring reading the same stuff..... over and over and over and over..... from the same "dipshits" on the other side of the argument as well. Almost.

Since the offensive struggles and Smith are off the table, can you tell us what we can talk about? It would be a lot easier if you just provided a list to everyone of the acceptable topics of discussion.

I'm not sure you or others understand what discussion really is.

Simply pointing to the QB or offense and claiming they iz teh suxxorz is not really discussion. It's just a daily repeated comment that we all have heard a million times.

Discuss ways to make the offense better with what we have. Or maybe, just shut your ****ing little minds off till Sunday, since they are not conducive of real discussion? Sometimes less.. really is more.

O.city · 11-17-2016, 09:02 AM

Stop talking bad about the qb is basically what I got out of that

KCTitus · 11-17-2016, 09:02 AM

I'm reminded of the 2003 season...after a 9-0 start the defense was exposed in Cincinnati and the 'warning signs' started to show up that this team might not be the contender that everyone thought they might be.

I remember seeing all the accolades on ESPN about how 95% of teams that go 9-0 make the superbowl and 80% of the time they win it, etc.

By week 17, it was clear that team wasnt going anywhere...and then the no punt game.

Same situation, other side of the ball...fortunately, I believe this offense has more talent and can succeed, but something seems to stifle it. It's like Andy has Marty disease "That play worked, so dont run it ever again".

rico · 11-17-2016, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Not one excuse had been made from me here in that post.. so the word you are looking for is not ironic.. but indicative.. indicative post from you that you really are mentally limited.

Any reasonable person would admit that the same crying about the offense has gotten old. Everyone agrees they need to play better or make changes.

So all of this repetitive drama is boring and lame.

You are such a twat-waffle.

You are dense as hell if you haven't noticed that IN GENERAL (not specifically in this thread YET), there tend to be just as many or more Alexuals making the same Alexcuses as the Alex-haters throwing Alex jabs. At least it seems that way to me...

Dingleberry.

Mr. Plow · 11-17-2016, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I'm not sure you or others understand what discussion really is.

Simply pointing to the QB or offense and claiming they iz teh suxxorz is not really discussion. It's just a daily repeated comment that we all have heard a million times.

Discuss ways to make the offense better with what we have. Or maybe, just shut your ****ing little minds off till Sunday, since they are not conducive of real discussion? Sometimes less.. really is more.

Nonsense. There are plenty of us that go beyond the "Smith sucks" narrative. Don't want to talk about the offense - stay out of the threads. Don't want to talk about QB's - stay out of those threads. Just find your safe space.

Discuss Thrower · 11-17-2016, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

I'm reminded of the 2003 season...after a 9-0 start the defense was exposed in Cincinnati and the 'warning signs' started to show up that this team might not be the contender that everyone thought they might be.

I remember seeing all the accolades on ESPN about how 95% of teams that go 9-0 make the superbowl and 80% of the time they win it, etc.

By week 17, it was clear that team wasnt going anywhere...and then the no punt game.

Same situation, other side of the ball...fortunately, I believe this offense has more talent and can succeed, but something seems to stifle it. It's like Andy has Marty disease "That play worked, so dont run it ever again".

Sums up my thoughts exactly.

Beef Supreme · 11-17-2016, 09:25 AM

"We have to stay aggressive in the red zone. But there is a time and place to check it down or run it; I have to make sure I'm giving the guys the opportunity to do that."

Holy shit, Reid thinks he needs to give the guys more opportunities to check it down. I don't even know how to respond to that.

prhom · 11-17-2016, 09:34 AM

I'm not sure where one would find stats like this, but it would be interesting to compare last year's offense third down conversion rate if you removed the conversions that Alex made by scrambling to this year's third down conversion rate. My hunch is that a big reason our offense looked better last year was due to the fact that Alex scrambled a lot on third down and was successful in doing it, whereas this year it doesn't seem like he has done that nearly as much.

ThaVirus · 11-17-2016, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prhom

I'm not sure where one would find stats like this, but it would be interesting to compare last year's offense third down conversion rate if you removed the conversions that Alex made by scrambling to this year's third down conversion rate. My hunch is that a big reason our offense looked better last year was due to the fact that Alex scrambled a lot on third down and was successful in doing it, whereas this year it doesn't seem like he has done that nearly as much.

I don't have the stats but this absolutely has a shit ton to do with it.

Alex had 500 yards rushing in 16 games last season. This year, in 8 games, he's got 44.

It's seriously like night and day and I'm not sure what's going on. He seems slower for sure but does anyone lose that much speed in one offseason? I think he may be a bit scared to take a hit this year as well.

11-17-2016, 01:10 AM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $7628993	Chiefs' winning streak masks sputtering offense http://www.wfmz.com/sports/chiefs-wi...ense/165501605 By: The Sports Xchange Posted: Nov 16, 2016 07:17 PM EST Updated: Nov 16, 2016 07:17 PM EST Given the circumstances of the past year, it seems there's only the slightest chance the Kansas City Chiefs will lose during the regular season. Ten consecutive victories at the end of the 2015 season were followed by a 7-2 record over the current schedule; no team in the NFL can match that type of winning ... during the regular season. Those 17 wins are three more than Seattle (14-4-1) and four ahead of New England (13-6) and Denver (13-7) in that time span. Andy Reid and his staff have produced a balanced team on both offense and defense, that's been the textbook definition of complementary football. They are the NFL's under-the-radar contender, with few superstars on the roster. But a five-game winning streak has provided a bit of cover for a large and nasty looking pimple growing on the Chiefs' 2016 season. Reid's offense is struggling to score points, with just one touchdown over the last two games. Kansas City has not reached the end zone in its last seven quarters of play. "Three weeks ago we were kind of right there doing our thing, doing well in the third down and doing well in the red zone," Reid said. "Our third-down percentage the last two weeks has just been terrible. We have to take care of that first." They are now ranked No. 26 in offensive yards at 332.8 yards per game. The Chiefs have 16 offensive touchdowns, ranking them No. 27 in the league. And, there are those pesky third down and red zone problems that were very visible in the 20-17 victory over Carolina last Sunday. On third downs, they converted just twice in 12 chances, an ugly 17 percent conversion rate. The Chiefs made three trips inside the Carolina 20-yard line. In six plays there, they gained just three yards. Quarterback Alex Smith did not complete any of his four passes. They settled for three field goals. For the 2016 season, they are in the No. 29 spot among the league's 32 teams on third downs, with an overall conversion rate of 34.7 percent. They are tied for No. 30 in touchdown success in the red zone, with 12 scores on 30 opportunities or 40 percent of the time. Only Washington carries a lower touchdown percentage at 38.9 percent. "I felt like we've been out of character the last two of weeks," said Smith, who missed the Jacksonville game after taking two blows to the head in the previous game. "I think everyone on offense would agree. I think we all want to get back to our form and play the way we're capable of. "It's a lot of things, being better on first and second down. It's also critical situations like third down and red zone. Those are difference-makers in games. If you play well on those downs, your chances of winning greatly increase." The Chiefs seldom turn the ball over - just one turnover in the five-game streak and only eight on the season - and pass protection has improved as they've allowed nine sacks in the five victories. It's penalties that have hurt the offense, putting the Chiefs in bad third down situations and keeping them out of the end zone. Over the last two games, Kansas City picked up a first down only three times in 26 third down chances. "We have these third and gazillion yards," Reid said. "There have been too many penalties that are working into that and putting us into long yardage situations. We have to take care of that first. "We have to stay aggressive in the red zone. But there is a time and place to check it down or run it; I have to make sure I'm giving the guys the opportunity to do that."
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KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9902732	I'm reminded of the 2003 season...after a 9-0 start the defense was exposed in Cincinnati and the 'warning signs' started to show up that this team might not be the contender that everyone thought they might be. I remember seeing all the accolades on ESPN about how 95% of teams that go 9-0 make the superbowl and 80% of the time they win it, etc. By week 17, it was clear that team wasnt going anywhere...and then the no punt game. Same situation, other side of the ball...fortunately, I believe this offense has more talent and can succeed, but something seems to stifle it. It's like Andy has Marty disease "That play worked, so dont run it ever again". __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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prhom Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Denver Casino cash: $8086013	I'm not sure where one would find stats like this, but it would be interesting to compare last year's offense third down conversion rate if you removed the conversions that Alex made by scrambling to this year's third down conversion rate. My hunch is that a big reason our offense looked better last year was due to the fact that Alex scrambled a lot on third down and was successful in doing it, whereas this year it doesn't seem like he has done that nearly as much.
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