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Here are the Taliban Terrorists Obama Released to Free POW Bowe Bergdahl

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ghanistan.html

In exchange for Army Sgt. Bowe Berghdahl, the U.S. has released five senior Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison. They are considered some of the worst of the worst.
The five Guantanamo detainees released by the Obama administration in exchange for America’s last prisoner of war in Afghanistan, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, are bad guys. They are top Taliban commanders the group has tried to free for more than a decade.



According to a 2008 Pentagon dossier on Guantanamo Bay inmates, all five men released were considered to be a high risk to launch attacks against the United States and its allies if they were liberated. The exchange shows that the Obama administration was willing to pay a steep price, indeed, for Bergdahl’s freedom. The administration says they will be transferred to Qatar, which played a key role in the negotiations.

In the initial statements released about the deal, the White House declined to name the detainees who would be leaving the Cuba based prison Obama has been trying to close since his first day in office.

A senior U.S. defense official confirmed Saturday that the prisoners to be released include Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Abdul Haq Wasiq, Khairullah Khairkhwa and Mohammed Nabi Omari.

While not as well known as Guantanamo inmates like 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Taliban 5 were some of the worst outlaws in the U.S. war on terror. And their release will end up replenishing the diminished leadership ranks of the Afghan Taliban at a moment when the United States is winding down the war there.

“They are undoubtedly among the most dangerous Taliban commanders held at Guantanamo,” said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior editor at the Long War Journal who keeps a close watch on developments concerning the detainees left at the Guantanamo Bay prison.

Fazl, for example, was the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister and is wanted by the United Nations for his role in massacres targeting Afghan’s Shi’ite Muslim population.

According to the 2008 Pentagon’s dossier on Fazl disclosed by Wikileaks (PDF), Noori also was a senior Taliban military figure and, according to his Pentagon dossier, was asked personally in 1995 by Osama bin Laden (PDF) to participate in an offensive against northern alliance warlord Rashid Dostum.

Wasiq, a former deputy minister of intelligence, at one point tried to cooperate with U.S. forces in Afghanistan and asked for a GPS system as well as a special radio to communicate with the U.S. military after the U.S. invasion in 2001. His dossier (PDF) says that he was a crucial liaison between the Taliban and other Islamic fundamentalist groups while he was deputy intelligence minister. But the 2008 report also said he was holding out information he had on other top al Qaeda and Taliban leaders during interrogations.

Khairkhwa, a former Taliban governor of Herat, was considered by the Pentagon’s 2008 dossier to be a likely heroin trafficker (PDF). That dossier also says he likely participated in meetings with Iranian officials after 9-11 to help plot attacks on U.S. forces following the invasion.

Iran has worked in some cases with the government that has replaced the Taliban in Afghanistan, but also has been accused by the U.S. military of supplying the Taliban and other insurgent groups with roadside bombs known as improvised explosive devices of IEDs.

Nabi held several military leadership posts for the Taliban and helped organize the al Qaeda/Taliban militias that fought against U.S. and coalition troops in the first year of the war, according to his Pentagon dossier (PDF).

This week’s secret diplomacy was not the first time the U.S. government had engaged the Taliban in an effort to negotiate a prisoner swap for the release of Bergdahl. In 2011, State Department officials held a series of meetings with Taliban leaders in Doha.

In Congress, there was bipartisan opposition to any release of Guantanamo prisoners. After the negotiations were made public in early 2012 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein the Taliban announced they were pulling out of the talks.

In the summer of 2013, the U.S. attempted a Taliban confidence building measure, the opening of a Taliban representative office in the diplomatic enclave inside Doha, Qatar. Karzai was also mistrustful of that effort and his skepticism was validated when the Taliban violated their agreement with the U.S. and raised their flag at the office’s opening, causing Karzai to have a fit and forcing the U.S. to abandon the deal to keep the Taliban office open.

Talks resumed in late 2013 and the Taliban provided a video proof of life to the U.S. military in December 2013, which had been a condition for the U.S. to continue with the negotiations.

Many in Congress will still be opposed to the swap, but lawmakers gave up their right to stop it. A small change in the Fiscal Year 2014 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which passed last December, now makes it only a requirement that the Defense Secretary notify Congress when releasing Guantanamo prisoners. Before the change, Congressional sign off on any Guantanamo releases would have been needed.

At about 10:30 am eastern standard time, Bergdahl was released from his captors. The handover was peaceful and happened in eastern Afghanistan along the border, according to a senior U.S. Defense official. U.S. special operations forces conducted the rescue.

The official said that once he was on the helicopter, Bergdahl wrote on a paper plate (writing instead of talking because it was so loud) “SF?” The operators sitting with Bergdahl responded loudly, saying, yes, we’ve been looking for you for a long time. Bergdahl broke down crying, the official relayed.

In exchange for Bergdahl’s release, five detainees at Guantanamo Bay will be released to Qatar. The US has “appropriate assurances” that Qatar will be able to secure the detainees there, a U.S. official said. The detainees are under a travel ban for a year.

The transfer took place quickly without incident, peacefully and without violence. There were approximately 18 Taliban on site.

U.S. officials believe Bergdahl had been held for the bulk of his captivity in Pakistan. They’re not sure when he was moved to Afghanistan.

The transfer was not negotiated with the Haqqani network, a network of former Pakistani defense officials and other designated terrorists. Instead it was brokered through the Qatari government.

Bergdahl’s parents happened to be in Washington when the news broke. They had come from their home in Idaho for Memorial Day.

Bergdahl is currently being held at a forward operating base in Afghanistan. He will be there until doctors are ready to let him go, and his next move will be to Bagram only when he’s ready.

The U.S. official praised this operation as a show of interagency cooperation—it was a whole-government effort that he said had been in the works for five years. “We really got traction in the last week but we never lost sight of Bergdahl,” he said.
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Old 06-03-2014, 03:25 PM   #181
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here is Jake Tapper's powerful interview with a soldier who served with Bergdahl (you can skip ahead to the seven minute mark of the clip):

http://youtu.be/iW5aE_6ixFw
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:02 PM   #182
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Here’s what I found on the law on military desertion just from googling it. The punishment for leaving one’s post to shirk service — or worse — is severe: “Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.” If desertion happens not in a “time of war,” death is removed from the list of punishments.

The last man to be executed by the U.S. for desertion was Eddie Slovik, in 1945. While 49 death sentences were handed down in World War II, Slovik was the only American or British soldier to be executed for the crime during World War II.
Yeah, I figured it was probably severe. If you have soldiers in a war and things are getting dicey, you can't have them thinking "eh, to get out of this.... yeah, I could do 6 or 7 years".
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:04 PM   #183
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Point to the post where I did so, dipshit.
I am questioning what seems to be an automatic assumption he deserted when doing so without a weapon or reasonable way to get to somewhere safe seems ****ing crazy.
I'm thinking "****ing crazy" is the most likely. Either that or stupid, young, naive douche.

In any event we aren't talking about a clear-headed emotionally stable person who weighed both sides, analyzed the situation, and made an informed decision to aid the enemy like Benedict Arnold.

If it means anything, the Taliban said he was drunk when they got him.
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:05 PM   #184
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Well, if he went nutso, maybe he should be cut some slack for his actions.
We just released 5 of the worst scumbags on planet earth for this **** stain of an American. neither he nor your boy Obama have any slack coming
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:15 PM   #185
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This thread reeks of people just looking for a reason to be mad. Had Obama not done anything to return an AMERICAN, then he woulda been blasted for that too.

Some of you just can't be pleased....we....by a dem at least. Had it been Bush i doubt many of you woulda said a peep.
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:24 PM   #186
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Point to the post where I did so, dipshit.
I am questioning what seems to be an automatic assumption he deserted when doing so without a weapon or reasonable way to get to somewhere safe seems ****ing crazy.
Sure ya are....
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Even if he was a deserter, they still have to try to find him. For all they knew he lost his marbles and was going to sing for the Taliban about bases, troop movements, operations going on, etc etc. Or he could have been being foolish and going to get high, but was legitimately kidnapped and in danger. They can't really just say "eh, to hell with that guy".

If nothing else he was an American citizen whom they had reason to believe may have been in danger, same as if he'd been a hiker or a journalist or a humanitarian aid worker or whatever.
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Which is fine, but you'd own it. Every part of it because you didn't ask for input. And heaven forbid if the released animals are ever guilty of killing more Americans you'd own that too. As well as the nations scorn.
Obviously if I was POTUS I would ask input from the DoD and CIA among others just to make sure that the following criteria were met.

1. He was an actual prisoner and wasn't actively helping the enemy and taking up arms against America.
2. The prisoners we were exchanging were caught on the battlefield.

If those 2 criteria were met I would probably make the deal.
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This thread reeks of people just looking for a reason to be mad. Had Obama not done anything to return an AMERICAN, then he woulda been blasted for that too.

Some of you just can't be pleased....we....by a dem at least. Had it been Bush i doubt many of you woulda said a peep.
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Point to the post where I did so, dipshit.
I am questioning what seems to be an automatic assumption he deserted when doing so without a weapon or reasonable way to get to somewhere safe seems ****ing crazy.
This is just stupid. Those Soldiers go into the towns and try to win over hearts and minds. he had plenty of opportunity to befriend a local and set all this up. Problem was from all I can gather is the Taliban spotted him in town and took him. He left his gun so he would be less likely to be shot as a deserter and less likely to be shot by tribesman thinking him very threatening.
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This thread reeks of people just looking for a reason to be mad. Had Obama not done anything to return an AMERICAN, then he woulda been blasted for that too.

Some of you just can't be pleased....we....by a dem at least. Had it been Bush i doubt many of you woulda said a peep.
Then bend over & let the goat **** you
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This thread reeks of people just looking for a reason to be mad. Had Obama not done anything to return an AMERICAN, then he woulda been blasted for that too.

Some of you just can't be pleased....we....by a dem at least. Had it been Bush i doubt many of you woulda said a peep.

Odds are Bush would not have sent those 5 back alive.
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This thread reeks of people just looking for a reason to be mad. Had Obama not done anything to return an AMERICAN, then he woulda been blasted for that too.

Some of you just can't be pleased....we....by a dem at least. Had it been Bush i doubt many of you woulda said a peep.
Yeah the outrage from the right has been powerful the last 5 years they've held him.
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"Here is what I know, not from hearsay, but because I was there. Bergdahl became a sympathizer, walked off his post to seek out the Taliban in order to join their ranks, to help and live with them. "

http://www.oafnation.com/guests-piec...t-bowe-bagdahl

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Josh Korder, a former U.S. Army sergeant who served with Bergdahl, told NBC he was "quite upset" about the sergeant's release because his unit had worked hard to track down Taliban leaders like those released in exchange for him.

"You're just going to let these guys go for somebody you're already saying you know walked away?" Korder said on NBC's "Today" program. "That's just not right."

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-defends-...111043629.html
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