Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 556

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

Quote:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

**lewdog** · 10-31-2012, 08:05 PM

How could you be unhappy with this signing so early into the offseason? If this is their legitimate big signing then sure, but we don't know that yet.

Brianfo · 10-31-2012, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside

Your grammar is horrible but I agree with your comments.

Didn't know the grammar police were out tonight. Im an idiot. Are you an english teacher??

Sure-Oz · 10-31-2012, 08:30 PM

3 days in a great start. Haren will likely get traded friday and probably will require more in a trade. I hope they are entertaining him as well if he does not have the Royals on his no trade list

Unsmooth-Moment · 10-31-2012, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

3 days in a great start. Haren will likely get traded friday and probably will require more in a trade. I hope they are entertaining him as well if he does not have the Royals on his no trade list

big if.

Al Bundy · 10-31-2012, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianfo

Im an idiot.

Well.. we finally agree on something.

tk13 · 10-31-2012, 08:41 PM

Santana after the All-Star break:

74.2 IP, 65 H, 19 BB, 60 K, 4.34 ERA.

Not great, but not nearly as terrible as his awful first half. Hopefully he figured it out. He still gave up a lot of HRs though. But he did have two 10+ K outings in September. There's at least a glimmer of hope there.

Matthew GB Cassel · 10-31-2012, 08:46 PM

I love baseball and I love my Royals. It's rough right now, but I know we can turn it around.

Hey, did you guys know I used to play baseball? I can't imagine where I'd be now if I had continued. Not starting in the NFL! What a different life that would have been.

Matthew GB Cassel · 10-31-2012, 08:47 PM

I love baseball and I love my Royals. It's rough right now, but I know we can turn it around.

Hey, did you guys know I used to play baseball? I can't imagine where I'd be now if I had continued. Not starting in the NFL! What a different life that would have been.

**noa** · 10-31-2012, 09:31 PM

At least we didn't overpay for Sanatana. Wish we had worked out something for Haren though.
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KChiefs1 · 10-31-2012, 09:33 PM

Add Haren & Sanchez...I think that's the best we can hope for.

Wilson8 · 10-31-2012, 09:38 PM

Royals’ pickup of Santana is an OK start, but just OK

By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

Nice, but not enough. Better, but not good. An improvement, but that’s a backhanded compliment.

Days after shaking Royals fans with awkwardly worded statements that sounded a whole like a time machine back to 2005, general manager Dayton Moore gave them reason for qualified optimism by acquiring starting pitcher Ervin Santana for the modern-day baseball equivalent of peanuts.

The Royals owe Santana $12 million for 2013 but give up only a 27-year-old minor-league reliever whom they were about to part with anyway for the best starting pitcher they’ve had since Zack Greinke. Santana, in oversimplified terms, is better than the kind of free agent the Royals might’ve given a three-year deal to.

In other words, it is an upgrade for the immediate future without sacrificing the long-term.

This is the rare move signed off with unanimous approval within the Royals front office, in large part because it doesn’t put a brake on the team’s ability to chase more (and much needed) upgrades.

A good cheat sheet: It’s a decent move now, and becomes a very good one if the Royals improve enough that Santana isn’t the opening-day starter.
Santana, who turns 30 in December, was rotten in 2012: 5.16 ERA and a league-high 39 home runs in 178 innings. But he was very good the two years before that: 3.65 ERA with a high strikeout rate and an average of 225 innings.

If you look at advanced metrics, four of Santana’s eight big-league seasons are better than anything the Royals have had since Greinke.

That’s a bit of faint praise, of course, but the real promise here is that the Royals can still do more — if anything, acquiring Santana helps them make the next move.

Baseball executives like to say there is no such thing as a bad one-year deal, and even if $12 million is a bit more than Santana’s worth, it’s better than paying $27 million or so over three years — what one personnel man estimated to be Santana’s value on the free-agent market.

A Royals source said the team hopes to add two more starting pitchers. The ideal scenario would be one free agent and one trade. The Royals operate at a disadvantage in the money-first free-agent market but have an advantage in the prospects-driven trade market.

Realistic free-agent targets might be Jeremy Guthrie or Brandon McCarthy. Realistic trade targets might be James Shields or even Jeremy Hellickson. With Santana serving as something like a high-upside placeholder for the Royals’ own slower-moving-than-expected prospects, the team can backload a free-agent offer so the big money comes in once Santana is off the books. If the Royals particularly like a trade acquisition, they’re in good position to negotiate an extension.

The Royals are not as far from competing as last season’s disappointment suggests, and in a backward way, that may end up as an obstacle. Rick Porcello, for instance, would be a much better fit in front of the Royals’ athletic defense than he is in Detroit, but the Tigers are more hesitant to deal with the Royals than they would’ve been a few years ago.

But if Moore agrees to the right relief pitcher (Aaron Crow, for instance), it might be too good a fit for either team to say no.

Whatever happens in the coming weeks and months, the Royals have positioned themselves well. Guthrie might get away through free agency, but the offseason is not even a week old and the Royals have added two starting pitchers.

Santana should slot toward the front end of the Royals rotation, and waiver claim Chris Volstad is a no-risk flier (the Royals will either non-tender him or sign him to a small contract).

So this is a good start. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s an upgrade no matter what happens the rest of the offseason, but woefully inadequate if this turns out to be the centerpiece acquisition.

Indications are strong that the Royals can and will make bigger improvements, and that’s the best part of the trade.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/31...#storylink=cpy

Simplicity · 10-31-2012, 10:04 PM

Ervin Santana!

BlackHelicopters · 11-01-2012, 06:39 AM

A low risk move without giving up anyone projected to contribute. (Sisk) Still need two more starters. Also, I hope Hochevar was swept out to sea by Sandy.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 11-01-2012, 07:20 AM

If those reports are correct, that they are looking at acquiring 2 more Starters, then Hoch will be out the door. This is the best news of all. At this point he's nothing more than a backup plan if they aren't able to acquire anything.

I like.

CoMoChief · 11-01-2012, 07:39 AM

Hochevar just needs more time!

honestly though he needs to be put in as a set up guy....let him gas it out for an inning. I also wouldn't be opposed to just letting him walk though LOL

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10-31-2012, 08:41 PM	#8331
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2062500	Santana after the All-Star break: 74.2 IP, 65 H, 19 BB, 60 K, 4.34 ERA. Not great, but not nearly as terrible as his awful first half. Hopefully he figured it out. He still gave up a lot of HRs though. But he did have two 10+ K outings in September. There's at least a glimmer of hope there.
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10-31-2012, 08:46 PM	#8332
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10-31-2012, 08:47 PM	#8333
Matthew GB Cassel Rookie Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	I love baseball and I love my Royals. It's rough right now, but I know we can turn it around. Hey, did you guys know I used to play baseball? I can't imagine where I'd be now if I had continued. Not starting in the NFL! What a different life that would have been.
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10-31-2012, 09:31 PM	#8334
noa Band Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $1675453	At least we didn't overpay for Sanatana. Wish we had worked out something for Haren though. Posted via Mobile Device
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10-31-2012, 09:33 PM	#8335
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10-31-2012, 09:38 PM	#8336
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3657557	Royals’ pickup of Santana is an OK start, but just OK By SAM MELLINGER The Kansas City Star Nice, but not enough. Better, but not good. An improvement, but that’s a backhanded compliment. Days after shaking Royals fans with awkwardly worded statements that sounded a whole like a time machine back to 2005, general manager Dayton Moore gave them reason for qualified optimism by acquiring starting pitcher Ervin Santana for the modern-day baseball equivalent of peanuts. The Royals owe Santana $12 million for 2013 but give up only a 27-year-old minor-league reliever whom they were about to part with anyway for the best starting pitcher they’ve had since Zack Greinke. Santana, in oversimplified terms, is better than the kind of free agent the Royals might’ve given a three-year deal to. In other words, it is an upgrade for the immediate future without sacrificing the long-term. This is the rare move signed off with unanimous approval within the Royals front office, in large part because it doesn’t put a brake on the team’s ability to chase more (and much needed) upgrades. A good cheat sheet: It’s a decent move now, and becomes a very good one if the Royals improve enough that Santana isn’t the opening-day starter. Santana, who turns 30 in December, was rotten in 2012: 5.16 ERA and a league-high 39 home runs in 178 innings. But he was very good the two years before that: 3.65 ERA with a high strikeout rate and an average of 225 innings. If you look at advanced metrics, four of Santana’s eight big-league seasons are better than anything the Royals have had since Greinke. That’s a bit of faint praise, of course, but the real promise here is that the Royals can still do more — if anything, acquiring Santana helps them make the next move. Baseball executives like to say there is no such thing as a bad one-year deal, and even if $12 million is a bit more than Santana’s worth, it’s better than paying $27 million or so over three years — what one personnel man estimated to be Santana’s value on the free-agent market. A Royals source said the team hopes to add two more starting pitchers. The ideal scenario would be one free agent and one trade. The Royals operate at a disadvantage in the money-first free-agent market but have an advantage in the prospects-driven trade market. Realistic free-agent targets might be Jeremy Guthrie or Brandon McCarthy. Realistic trade targets might be James Shields or even Jeremy Hellickson. With Santana serving as something like a high-upside placeholder for the Royals’ own slower-moving-than-expected prospects, the team can backload a free-agent offer so the big money comes in once Santana is off the books. If the Royals particularly like a trade acquisition, they’re in good position to negotiate an extension. The Royals are not as far from competing as last season’s disappointment suggests, and in a backward way, that may end up as an obstacle. Rick Porcello, for instance, would be a much better fit in front of the Royals’ athletic defense than he is in Detroit, but the Tigers are more hesitant to deal with the Royals than they would’ve been a few years ago. But if Moore agrees to the right relief pitcher (Aaron Crow, for instance), it might be too good a fit for either team to say no. Whatever happens in the coming weeks and months, the Royals have positioned themselves well. Guthrie might get away through free agency, but the offseason is not even a week old and the Royals have added two starting pitchers. Santana should slot toward the front end of the Royals rotation, and waiver claim Chris Volstad is a no-risk flier (the Royals will either non-tender him or sign him to a small contract). So this is a good start. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s an upgrade no matter what happens the rest of the offseason, but woefully inadequate if this turns out to be the centerpiece acquisition. Indications are strong that the Royals can and will make bigger improvements, and that’s the best part of the trade. http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/31...#storylink=cpy
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10-31-2012, 10:04 PM	#8337
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11-01-2012, 06:39 AM	#8338
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11-01-2012, 07:20 AM	#8339
Fansy the Famous Bard I'm with the Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $2436440	If those reports are correct, that they are looking at acquiring 2 more Starters, then Hoch will be out the door. This is the best news of all. At this point he's nothing more than a backup plan if they aren't able to acquire anything. I like. __________________ Hi.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Hochevar just needs more time! honestly though he needs to be put in as a set up guy....let him gas it out for an inning. I also wouldn't be opposed to just letting him walk though LOL __________________
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