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Old 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM  
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I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:19 PM   #3361
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So now we know why Locke's leg gave out on him when he went to the plane with Boone, he was retracing the timespace where Ethan shot him.

A little more evidence that these guys MIGHT have a plan here.
And now we know the mechanism whereby Locke dreamed [now remembered] about the plane in the jungle.
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:22 PM   #3362
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Nope. This is entirely related to "The Constant."

Okay. You seem pretty adamanet about this. I guess I haven't seen whatever evidence you've seen that makes you so sure. What about "The Constant" leads you to believe that being Faraday's constant is what makes Des live outside the rules?

Faraday seems to know an awful lot about time travel and constants. In fact, if memory serves, he is the one who introduces the very concept. So, I think it would stand to reason that (since Faraday is an expert on the subject) if what you're asserting were true, then Faraday would simply say, "you're my constant. that's why you're special and the rules don't apply to you." Rather than saying "you're special. for some the reason the rules don't apply to you."

I know that's probably not an exact quote. I can't remember the exact words, but as I recall that's the jist of what he says. If I'm remember the quote incorrectly, then I apologize. Whatever evidence you have, please post it. If I'm really "wrong" I'd like to know before the next episode airs.



Doubtful, but it is still a possibility. One that I don't think we'll ever know, though.

Why doubtful? Again what have we seen that makes this doubtful? And obviously we'll never know, two of the characters I mentioned are ****ing dead. So..

I was just creating an example to illustrate my point.



It was already speculated that Ben and Charles are Constants. This was somewhat confirmed when they didn't kill each other when they met. It's possible that what you posit is true. I just don't see it in what's been revealed thus far.

It has been speculated by the viewing audience for some time. But the TPTB (and the show itself) have given us no further indication one way or the other. I tend to be in the camp of people that think it's likely that they ARE each other's constants. But no proof has been given. Don't mistake assumption for fact.

PLUS if they realy are each other's constants it may be evidence to suggest that youre initial assumption (about Des and his being Faraday's constant is what makes him special) is inaccurate. Ben says that Charles has "changed the rules." So these two DO have a set of rules that they exist by. Whether that's self imposed or cosmically so is unknown. But there is just as much evidence to suggest that this is a "fact" as there is to sugges that it's a "fact" that they are constants.



Likewise.
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:29 PM   #3363
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So now we know why Locke's leg gave out on him when he went to the plane with Boone, he was retracing the timespace where Ethan shot him.

A little more evidence that these guys MIGHT have a plan here.
HOLY SHIT!! That never even occurred to me!! No THAT if ****ing interesting.

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And now we know the mechanism whereby Locke dreamed [now remembered] about the plane in the jungle.
Another stellar observation. Rep.
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:30 PM   #3364
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Evidence for "The Constant" being the correct interpretation:

Desmond meets Faraday at Oxford.
Faraday tells Desmond he needs a "Constant."
Desmond makes Penny his "Constant" in the emotional telephone call.
Faraday writes in his journal that his "Constant" is Desmond.
Faraday consults his journal before knocking on the door saying "please let this work."


The reason I classify it as "doubtful" is because we have not been introduced to any side effects of the button's consequences other than the island showing up on the radar of Charles' ship.

Ben and Charles are, so far, a different animal. No one really can confirm whether they are constants or not. I did not mean to imply it is fact as I know it is not.
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:50 PM   #3365
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Evidence for "The Constant" being the correct interpretation:

Desmond meets Faraday at Oxford.
Faraday tells Desmond he needs a "Constant."
Desmond makes Penny his "Constant" in the emotional telephone call.
Faraday writes in his journal that his "Constant" is Desmond.
Faraday consults his journal before knocking on the door saying "please let this work."
Again, I don't see how this has anything to do with the fail-safe key. Obviously we know that the electromagnetic release is what lead the island to be visible by the outside world. What we don't know is if there are any other symptoms of that action (like, I dont' know... maybe causing someone who was exposed to that level of electromagnitism to be able to live outside the rules of conventional time and space).

Your evidence just seems to support that Des is Faraday's Constant. Which is an issue that isn't being debated. I just don't how what you've posted supports your idea that being Faraday's constant is equal to being able to bend the rules of time travel. Sorry.

I'm slow. Forgive me. I'll just trust that you know what you mean. And once it's explained on the show, I'll pipe up with an "oooooh. I see what you mean!" if you're right.

For now though, I think we're just going around in circles. Maybe I'm not being clear. Whatever. It's not that big of deal. Thanks for the responses though.
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Old 01-24-2009, 09:48 PM   #3366
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Again, I don't see how this has anything to do with the fail-safe key. Obviously we know that the electromagnetic release is what lead the island to be visible by the outside world. What we don't know is if there are any other symptoms of that action (like, I dont' know... maybe causing someone who was exposed to that level of electromagnitism to be able to live outside the rules of conventional time and space).
Well, the reason you don't see how it has anything to do with the key is because it doesn't have anything to do with it. While the key hasn't been fully explained, I don't think it has anything to do with the time-travel aspect.

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Your evidence just seems to support that Des is Faraday's Constant. Which is an issue that isn't being debated. I just don't how what you've posted supports your idea that being Faraday's constant is equal to being able to bend the rules of time travel. Sorry.
He isn't bending the rules. Faraday is by using him. The fact that Faraday can talk to the outside world through Desmond makes Desmond special.

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I'm sure you will.

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For now though, I think we're just going around in circles. Maybe I'm not being clear. Whatever. It's not that big of deal. Thanks for the responses though.
It's alright. I probably wasn't being clear myself. We shall see; we shall see.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:03 AM   #3367
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My biggest problem with Lost in general is that they kept broadening the show's scope instead of staying within a manageable framework, to the point last season when the show was utterly insane. Every sci-fi show creates its own logic, but Lost kept expanding.

I really liked this episode. As crazy as this show is now in comparison to when it started, this premier stayed within that logic created last season (mainly Faraday's time travel) and actually seemed reasonable considering the premise.

Nearly every movie and show that deals with time travel inevitably leaves loopholes, but this was a solid effort. I'm interested to see how well they can keep it together having several months to put this season together.

My only real complaint this episode (aside from Hurley's character turn on the boat) stems from a common problem with shows like Lost: it promotes analyzation, so reveals are rarely surprising. It's my fault, but the second they show a shadowy figure, or obscure a face, I start thinking of all possible characters, and by the time the revelation occurs, I've at least thought of it.

That said, totally wasn't expecting Nerdlington to catch a flaming arrow in the chest. I marked out.
I wasn't. I said to my family that what are they doing letting another passenger talk? Is this like Star Trek? The new guy gets killed?
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:10 AM   #3368
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I wasn't. I said to my family that what are they doing letting another passenger talk? Is this like Star Trek? The new guy gets killed?
The guy's not entirely a 'new' character. In the webisodes that aired between the two parts of season 4, he was a foil for Hurley who vied for Libby's affections.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:17 AM   #3369
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The guy's not entirely a 'new' character. In the webisodes that aired between the two parts of season 4, he was a foil for Hurley who vied for Libby's affections.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
A webisode? So this was the first time on broadcast TV saying lines, correct? Thats a new guy qualifier.

I'm not saying they only kill off new charectors. I'm still ticked off they killed Hurleys girlfriend.
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A webisode? So this was the first time on broadcast TV saying lines, correct? Thats a new guy qualifier.

I'm not saying they only kill off new charectors. I'm still ticked off they killed Hurleys girlfriend.
Yeah, I edited to reflect that, I recalled seeing him before on the show, then remembered it was in the webisode, the went to IMDB to confirm that the webisode and the most recent episode are the only two episodes he's credited with.

Also, he sticks in my mind because he's the 'Aaron Burr/mouth full of peanut butter' guy from that commercial a few years back.

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The guy's not entirely a 'new' character. In the webisodes that aired between the two parts of season 4, he was a foil for Hurley who vied for Libby's affections.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
Hell, I knew the guy was dead as soon as he popped on the screen. all he needed was the red shirt.
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