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Old 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM  
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The Official "Lost" the series discussion

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....
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Old 06-19-2010, 09:36 PM   #6136
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It's called "rationalization"



Jack needed for everything that occurred on the island to happen so that he could move on.

Science versus Faith.

Since he was dead, there was no time limit. Thematically, Jack's eyes opened and Jack's eyes closed, signifying the beginning and end of his journey.

Once again, I'm not stating unequivocally that everyone should see or believe what I believe about the "true meaning" of the series.

But I just don't appreciate being told that I'm "wrong" without anyone giving me specific reasons, based on 122 hours of television.


I'm certainly not saying you're wrong. But you're not right. (Sorry... that was lame, but I couldn't resist.)

No, seriously, you're not wrong. That's your interpretation, and now that I understand it a little better, I can see how you arrived there.

I don't know what kind of evidence I'd really be able to provide in rebuttal.... so I guess I'll just quote what you said earlier in the thread...

"Lack of evidence?
It's right before your eyes.
If you can't see it, there's nothing I can say or do to change your mind."


But that's art. Two people see the same thing, and each gets a vastly different impression. That's not a bad thing at all, in my book.

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Old 06-19-2010, 09:48 PM   #6137
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But that's art. Two people see the same thing, and each gets a vastly different impression. That's not a bad thing at all, in my book.
I absolutely agree.

I think that's the reason why the producers felt that the ending would be controversial, due to it's ambiguity. Two people can watch the same exact show and come away with two completely different conclusions.

And once more, I wasn't trying to imply that anyone that I've spoken to out here is "superior" or that their opinion counts for something more. It's just that I've found a common ground with people that work as screenwriters and producers that I haven't found in this forum.

Ultimately, that's neither here nor there. Just a report.
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Old 06-19-2010, 09:54 PM   #6138
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I absolutely agree.

I think that's the reason why the producers felt that the ending would be controversial, due to it's ambiguity. Two people can watch the same exact show and come away with two completely different conclusions.

And once more, I wasn't trying to imply that anyone that I've spoken to out here is "superior" or that their opinion counts for something more. It's just that I've found a common ground with people that work as screenwriters and producers that I haven't found in this forum.

Ultimately, that's neither here nor there. Just a report.


Absolutely, man. I'm pickin' up what you're throwin' down. Just took me a minute to get on the same page.

Good chat, Dane. I really enjoyed it. And now I understand you're POV much better. Obviously, we don't completely see eye to eye, but at least now I can respect where you're coming from. Which is all I was after in the first place.

I'm off to bed.
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Old 06-19-2010, 09:55 PM   #6139
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But I just don't appreciate being told that I'm "wrong" without anyone giving me specific reasons, based on 122 hours of television.
That is Saccopoo-level wrong. Wow. Sorry for the insult but it needs to be said.

At bare minimum, the fact that the events you waive away as part of Jack's mind are events that aired on the TV show act as specific reasons your interpretation might be wrong. Beyond that, we've been told repeadtedly in dialogue that "whatever happened, happened" and not just from Christian Shepard in the finale. It was said multiple times and was even an episode title. There is a veritable mountain of specific reasons to support that the on-island events actually physically happened to these characters.
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:00 PM   #6140
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That is Saccopoo-level wrong. Wow. Sorry for the insult but it needs to be said.

At bare minimum, the fact that the events you waive away as part of Jack's mind are events that aired on the TV show act as specific reasons your interpretation might be wrong. Beyond that, we've been told repeadtedly in dialogue that "whatever happened, happened" and not just from Christian Shepard in the finale. It was said multiple times and was even an episode title. There is a veritable mountain of specific reasons to support that the on-island events actually physically happened to these characters.
And I disagree.

I don't think there's ANY proof that they happened, just as I don't think they "created a purgatory" for themselves in Season Six.

The only "proof" is that it was shown on network television.

But that in itself isn't enough to convince me that 60 people miraculously landed on a lush tropical island alive after dropping more than 35,000 feet in the air, only to find Egyptian ruins, the Dharma Initiative and a pair of Machiavellian immortals.
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:10 PM   #6141
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And I disagree.

I don't think there's ANY proof that they happened, just as I don't think they "created a purgatory" for themselves in Season Six.

The only "proof" is that it was shown on network television.

But that in itself isn't enough to convince me that 60 people miraculously landed on a lush tropical island alive after dropping more than 35,000 feet in the air, only to find Egyptian ruins, the Dharma Initiative and a pair of Machiavellian immortals.
So why is it that you and your cabal of like-minded industry acquaintances want to treat the show like a piece of psychological realism?
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:18 PM   #6142
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So why is it that you and your cabal of like-minded industry acquaintances want to treat the show like a piece of psychological realism?
As I stated earlier in this thread, Cinema tells one story, dialogue tells another.

It's up to you to decide which you believe.

Aside from that, *I* personally believe the answer is clear. Again, I'm not "bashing" anyone and I'm not trying to insult anyone or trying to make anyone feel inferior for not seeing the same thing.

I'd just like a little respect for my point of view and for the most part, that's been ignored.

I'll be looking forward to your final thoughts once you've completely the series.
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:41 PM   #6143
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As I stated earlier in this thread, Cinema tells one story, dialogue tells another.

It's up to you to decide which you believe.

Aside from that, *I* personally believe the answer is clear. Again, I'm not "bashing" anyone and I'm not trying to insult anyone or trying to make anyone feel inferior for not seeing the same thing.

I'd just like a little respect for my point of view and for the most part, that's been ignored.

I'll be looking forward to your final thoughts once you've completely the series.
I certainly don't think that either you or I are bashing anyone, etc. I think that many posters wish to understand your point of view better is a sign of respect for it. Well, respect for you anyway. I (and apparently irish and Buck and Red_Brooklyn) can't grasp your thinking.

I don't know what you mean by "cinema tells one story, dialogue tells another," especially as an answer to my query about how/why you treat the show as, ultimately, psychological realism.
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Dane,

Riddle me this:

The show is about Jack's transformation from man of science to man of faith. We agree inasmuch. So, why is it that you're expecting us to take the man of science approach to view the ending?

That is, the man of science is a skeptic, like Jack was in the beginning. He was skeptical of anything and everything. He'd call bullshit. In the latter seasons, as he progressed, we see the man of science be replaced with the man of faith. In this, we're supposed to take away that we should have faith in something. "Destiny." "We're all here for a reason". "We have to go back!" Why would you want us to reject the faith that "the things on the island actually happened" and instead accept the man of science approach which is "bullshit, this is a man's comprehension as he dies".

It seems like the opposite of Jack's journey.
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