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Old 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM  
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The Official "Lost" the series discussion

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:25 AM   #6256
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Well, I didn't see it that way. I think Damon and Carlton have been very gracious in regards to their fans - often times giving them more than they need. Damon and Carton never owed the fanbase anything other than to finish their show. They did that.
I agree. Fans weren't owed answers. Damon and Carlton weren't concerned with answering things; they had their vision and they made their show. The fans likewise don't owe them a response that is free of disappointment or even anger just because they made their show.

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And the epilogue was written and filmed during the final season. It wasn't just thrown together after the fact because some fans were pissy. Is it tongue in cheek? Yes. But I don't see it as insulting. It's meant to be fun. Another (thankless) gift.

I love how so much of the fanbase was so angry that characters in the series never just stopped and asked (point blank) the questions that were on all our minds. Now, TPTB have given fans just that - scene where, in fact, characters stop and ask point blank questions, and a character in the know provides a lot of answers. Damned if you do. Damnd if you don't, I suppose. I honestly think though that the polarizing affect S6 (and the epilogue) had on the fan community illustrates how special LOST was/is.
I can't believe you don't see the snooty attitude that Linus has when answering questions, or how dumb those two employees look for asking questions. There are precise rhetorical strategies being used here. A scene where people ask point blank questions does not have to be constructed the way that this epilogue was. And the epilogue did it in spots. The Hydra station video was fun and informative. The Hurley & Walt scene was fun and informative. The Ben answering questions part reeked of this attitude that Damn & Carlton used in the series proper on a few occasions, an attitude of "These people are asking questions that don't matter and they deserve to be chastised for it."
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:09 AM   #6257
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Yeah, man, I just didn't see it that way. I found it playful. I didn't see Ben as snooty. The Dharma guys are a little bumbling, but it read as more caught off guard and confused than dumb to me.

Fans all have a right to their own reactions. You're right. They don't owe Darlton allegience or praise or anything of the sort. Especially if they don't genuinely feel it. However most of them (and not you, to your credit) seem to be demanding one for the other. These fans feel they are owed something for their investment. Then again, the show created and fostered that. It made itself available, accessible and open to imagination. There was bound to be disappointment. The polar reaction to S6 does not surprise me. Nor does the luke warm/mixed reception of "The New Man In Charge."

I get it. I just don't agree. I felt it was a great dessert to compliment an excellent meal.
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:14 AM   #6258
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Yeah, man, I just didn't see it that way. I found it playful. I didn't see Ben as snooty. The Dharma guys are a little bumbling, but it read as more caught off guard and confused than dumb to me.

Fans all have a right to their own reactions. You're right. They don't owe Darlton allegience or praise or anything of the sort. Especially if they don't genuinely feel it. However most of them (and not you, to your credit) seem to be demanding one for the other. These fans feel they are owed something for their investment. Then again, the show created and fostered that. It made itself available, accessible and open to imagination. There was bound to be disappointment. The polar reaction to S6 does not surprise me. Nor does the luke warm/mixed reception of "The New Man In Charge."

I get it. I just don't agree. I felt it was a great dessert to compliment an excellent meal.
And, just to clarify, I agree with you wrt Season 6's divisive religious ending contributing to the show's specialness. If there's anything artistically special about LOST it is that it divided the fanbase into two camps that both reflect the show's central theme and one of the larger dialectics in the world itself (science vs faith).
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:33 AM   #6259
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And, just to clarify, I agree with you wrt Season 6's divisive religious ending contributing to the show's specialness. If there's anything artistically special about LOST it is that it divided the fanbase into two camps that both reflect the show's central theme and one of the larger dialectics in the world itself (science vs faith).
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:54 AM   #6260
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The Ben answering questions part reeked of this attitude that Damn & Carlton used in the series proper on a few occasions, an attitude of "These people are asking questions that don't matter and they deserve to be chastised for it."
I've followed Damon on Twitter since probably March. He's still a condescending dick and constantly mocks the fans in tweets in regards to new films and TV shows.
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:20 PM   #6261
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:30 PM   #6262
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Must say, I wouldn't have believed you if you told me a few years, heck A year, back how little I miss Lost.

Or if I did believe you, I'd have stopped watching right then.

I'd analogize it to showing the SB, and in the last 5 minutes it's announced that the scores will not count and both teams get a participation medal.
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:47 PM   #6263
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I don't miss it quite as much as I'd expected either. But that's only because I was so completely satisfied with the conclusion. I know I'll revisit the series many, many times. But I'm in no hurry.
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Must say, I wouldn't have believed you if you told me a few years, heck A year, back how little I miss Lost.

Or if I did believe you, I'd have stopped watching right then.

I'd analogize it to showing the SB, and in the last 5 minutes it's announced that the scores will not count and both teams get a participation medal.
I purchased seasons 1-4 on DVD and watched each several times while riding my exercise bike and working out.

I feel like a fool. Both Cuse & Lindelof deserve to be chained to modified Sybian machine, designed not to give an orgasm, but endless cockpunches.
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Must say, I wouldn't have believed you if you told me a few years, heck A year, back how little I miss Lost.

Or if I did believe you, I'd have stopped watching right then.

I'd analogize it to showing the SB, and in the last 5 minutes it's announced that the scores will not count and both teams get a participation medal.
I'd agree with this.
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And I have the answer for each and every question about Lost. If someone's freaking out asking 'what going on here'

I simply say, 'it's a television show, nothing more nothing less'

But what about xxxx?

'it's part of a television plotline'

But what does it mean about yyyy?

'it means that the creators thought you musing about the effect of xxxx on yyyy would be compelling television.'
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And I have the answer for each and every question about Lost. If someone's freaking out asking 'what going on here'

I simply say, 'it's a television show, nothing more nothing less'

But what about xxxx?

'it's part of a television plotline'

But what does it mean about yyyy?

'it means that the creators thought you musing about the effect of xxxx on yyyy would be compelling television.'
And for that, they deserve to spend eternity on the "island" they created being repeatedly ass****ed by a tag team of polar bears.
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And I have the answer for each and every question about Lost. If someone's freaking out asking 'what going on here'

I simply say, 'it's a television show, nothing more nothing less'

But what about xxxx?

'it's part of a television plotline'

But what does it mean about yyyy?

'it means that the creators thought you musing about the effect of xxxx on yyyy would be compelling television.'
Were people really expecting more? That's all it's ever been. From the beginning to the end.
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