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Governor and A Shooting in Fort Worth By Dr. Paul Kengor

This week marks the fifth anniversary of one of the worst weeks in the history of Fort Worth, Texas. What happened that week was a demonstration of evil and good, of a mad killer at work and a kind community in mourning. The week also revealed something about the man who now sits in the White House.

On September 15, 1999, a deranged man in a black trench coat entered a church in Ft. Worth, Texas, armed with bullets and a pipe bomb. He approached a group of worshippers in the foyer awaiting choir practice. He asked about a prayer meeting, and then began shooting. He headed to the sanctuary, which he sprayed with gunfire as he shouted obscenities. Seven were dead and many more injured. A teenage boy stopped the slaughter when he yelled out defiantly, "You can kill me but you can't kill my faith!" Upon hearing those words, the assassin found a pew, sat down, and shot himself.

The first person murdered that day was Sydney Browning, a seminary graduate and local educator who was selected Teacher of the Year at her high school two years in a row. She was hit in the head and chest at point-blank range and died instantly. Her father, Don, has obviously never forgotten that day, nor the compassion from the community he saw in the days that followed. "I never saw anything grip the city like that," he says today.

The morning after the massacre an impromptu prayer session was held at the pastor's house. The church was now a crime scene, filled with police, coroners, chalked lines, bullet-ridden oak walls, and blood-soaked carpets. A surprise attendee at that prayer session was Texas Governor George W. Bush, who made the 186-mile trip from Austin. He arrived unannounced and left almost as quietly. A church of God had been converted into a Texas killing field, and the governor came to offer his personal prayers.

So overwhelming was the outpouring of grief that the shocked community was forced to hold the memorial service at the football stadium at Texas Christian University. Sydney Browning's father was asked to speak at the service. When he arrived backstage before the event, he unexpectedly encountered the Texas governor. The two men shook hands. "Are you coming into this a believer?" Bush asked. Browning nodded. "God bless you," said Bush. "I'm praying for you." The service organizers then asked their unanticipated guest if he would like to sit at the platform with the other VIPs. The governor replied, "No, this isn't about me," and sat in the stands among the thousands.

Browning spoke last. The choir director had long ago connected with his little girl through music, and he thought it fitting to finish his remarks by extemporaneously singing the first song his daughter had sung in public. "This little light of mine, I'm gonna' let it shine," he began, asking the audience to join him. Browning paused to note that the last verse of the song reads: "Let it shine 'til Jesus comes." He told the crowd that his daughter no longer needs to sing that last line, but the rest of them do. The tribute closed with that. When the service ended, the governor approached Browning once more. "That was great," said Bush, clasping Browning's hand. "I couldn't have done it."

George W. Bush then exited as he came: low-key, with no cameras. He had said nothing profound or poetic. One can understand why his appearance went unreported. His response was memorable only for its lack of showiness. In both visits after the shooting, Bush avoided the press, told no one he was coming, stayed, prayed, paid his respects, talked
briefly to the families, and then silently drove away.

My home sits 1,300 miles from Ft. Worth. I learned of this story while researching George W. Bush's faith. Someone recommended I look into this terrible incident. That someone suggested I telephone his friend, Don Browning. One day in April 2004 I did just that, and spent an hour on the telephone with Mr. Browning, who recounted to me (a stranger) the awful details of the Texas church shooting that took the life of his beloved daughter, Sydney. I'm sure my call ruined his day. Still, through that tragedy, Don Browning saw a side of the current president that the rest of us have not, and felt that side needed to be told.

It's easy to demonize our politicians, whether they are George W. Bush or John F. Kerry. It's also easy to dehumanize them, to forget they are human beings. And that was George W. Bush, now the world's most powerful man, five years ago this week-not a politician but just a person grieving with the rest of Texas.
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:58 PM   #2
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I wish political battles were waged with this type of action. I know I'd like to see more of the "human" side of our nations politicians.
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:05 AM   #4
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Nice.

I wish political battles were waged with this type of action. I know I'd like to see more of the "human" side of our nations politicians.
Typically you will not see this type of story in the media, because as in this story, Bush did not allow media in. I've heard some stories that have indicated that he is still like this, but even if the media knew about it they would quash it because it doesn't fit their agenda. You won't see anything like this about Kerry unless he starts manufacturing the stories for political use. In my opinion he is totally out of touch with the typical American and their needs, wants and desires. What percentage of people fall into the categories of "loses" that Kerry has claimed against Bush? 500,000 people lost health insurance. What is the population of the U.S.? The math is easy. What is the percentage in relation to the working public? Those numbers sound less significant when used, but Kerry doesn't use them. What is that same number during a typical year/administration? How many administrations had to find a way to survive the attacks like the ones on 9/11? There are many accusations thrown out by Kerry that have more reason than Bush was President when they happened.

Let's keep track, just in case Kerry, the lying POS, wins the election. What will those same numbers reveal in the following election? I don't think he is supposed to win, it is a ploy by the democrats to prime the next election for Billary.

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Old 10-17-2004, 07:52 AM   #5
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Kerry-cter? See this year old Dave Barry column:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...6761106.htm?1c

In conclusion, I want to extend my sincere best wishes to all of my opponents, Republican and Democrat, and to state that, in the unlikely event I am not elected, I will support whoever is, even if it is Sen. John Kerry, who once came, with his entourage, into a ski-rental shop in Ketchum, Idaho, where I was waiting patiently with my family to rent snowboards, and Sen. Kerry used one of his lackeys to flagrantly barge in line ahead of us and everybody else, as if he had some urgent senatorial need for a snowboard, like there was about to be an emergency meeting, out on the slopes, of the Joint Halfpipe Committee. I say it's time for us, as a nation, to put this unpleasant incident behind us. I know that I, for one, have forgotten all about it. That is how fair and balanced I am.
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:50 AM   #6
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Typically you will not see this type of story in the media, because as in this story, Bush did not allow media in. I've heard some stories that have indicated that he is still like this, but even if the media knew about it they would quash it because it doesn't fit their agenda. You won't see anything like this about Kerry unless he starts manufacturing the stories for political use. In my opinion he is totally out of touch with the typical American and their needs, wants and desires. What percentage of people fall into the categories of "loses" that Kerry has claimed against Bush? 500,000 people lost health insurance. What is the population of the U.S.? The math is easy. What is the percentage in relation to the working public? Those numbers sound less significant when used, but Kerry doesn't use them. What is that same number during a typical year/administration? How many administrations had to find a way to survive the attacks like the ones on 9/11? There are many accusations thrown out by Kerry that have more reason than Bush was President when they happened.

Let's keep track, just in case Kerry, the lying POS, wins the election. What will those same numbers reveal in the following election? I don't think he is supposed to win, it is a ploy by the democrats to prime the next election for Billary.
As an agnostic and a member of the middle class, I don't believe either candidate has ANY IDEA what life is like for me or the average American.

I'm glad to see that Bush took an interest in the church shooting, and that impresses me, but this does nothing to convince me is anything more than a member of the religious right. I'm sure he had deep feelings regarding this incident, he still didn't reform SS like he said he would. If (and I'm guessing he will) he gets re-elected, I doubt he'll perform the promised reform in the next four years.

I'm sorry, there has just been TOO MUCH FUD slinging from both sides to change anyone's mind with a fluff piece or two.

Too little, too late.
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Old 10-17-2004, 02:18 PM   #7
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As an agnostic and a member of the middle class, I don't believe either candidate has ANY IDEA what life is like for me or the average American.

I'm glad to see that Bush took an interest in the church shooting, and that impresses me, but this does nothing to convince me is anything more than a member of the religious right. I'm sure he had deep feelings regarding this incident, he still didn't reform SS like he said he would. If (and I'm guessing he will) he gets re-elected, I doubt he'll perform the promised reform in the next four years.

I'm sorry, there has just been TOO MUCH FUD slinging from both sides to change anyone's mind with a fluff piece or two.

Too little, too late.
Your inability to grasp the meaning of religion and it's base in America is of no consequence. You are right they don't know what it is like to be an average American, but at least Bush has made attempts to connect and get a feel of what it is like. Kerry is still using his "rich guy" tactics in his everyday life.
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Old 10-17-2004, 02:45 PM   #8
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Who the **** cares about Kerry?!?!

I commended Bush for his actions, and you try and turn around and bash Kerry? Ask me if I care.

Try reading what I post, and if I need to say it for the umpteenth time, I am voting Badnarik because I don't agree with the stance either Kerry or Bush have taken on 95% of the actual issues.

My inabililty to grasp the meaning of religion and it;s base in America?!?!?

WTF?!?!

I grasp the fact that more people have DIED in the name of religion than in any other cause! How's that for a moral right for you?
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Old 10-17-2004, 03:04 PM   #9
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I grasp the fact that more people have DIED in the name of religion than in any other cause! How's that for a moral right for you?
and the religion of Science made most of those deaths possible...
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Kerry-cter? See this year old Dave Barry column:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...6761106.htm?1c

In conclusion, I want to extend my sincere best wishes to all of my opponents, Republican and Democrat, and to state that, in the unlikely event I am not elected, I will support whoever is, even if it is Sen. John Kerry, who once came, with his entourage, into a ski-rental shop in Ketchum, Idaho, where I was waiting patiently with my family to rent snowboards, and Sen. Kerry used one of his lackeys to flagrantly barge in line ahead of us and everybody else, as if he had some urgent senatorial need for a snowboard, like there was about to be an emergency meeting, out on the slopes, of the Joint Halfpipe Committee. I say it's time for us, as a nation, to put this unpleasant incident behind us. I know that I, for one, have forgotten all about it. That is how fair and balanced I am.
That's about the 100th story I've seen about sKerry cutting in line, demanding freebies, etc. The only thing it's missing is "don't you know who I am?"
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Old 10-17-2004, 03:23 PM   #11
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I grasp the fact that more people have DIED in the name of religion than in any other cause! How's that for a moral right for you?
I would suspect that there's no way to substantiate this common figure of speech, and that a miniscule percentage of people even think about whether or not it's true before using it because it serves the purposes of the argument. I don't suppose you have gone on such a quest?

I would also suspect that as many people have died in the name of a humanist world view as a religious one. A humanist worldview, the view that man determines for himself what is right and wrong, kills 4,400 unborn children every day.

But among those who make it out of the womb, to begin the humanist tally for the "number of people died in the name of" contest, one would need to count the work of Josef Stalin (who was actually a seminary student before his change of worldview), around 20 million people or so, throw in Hitler's > 6 million, Kim Il Sung in Korea had several million. Mao in China, the consummate atheist state, with around 20 million, Pol Pot, around 2 million. Plus who knows how many members of a supporting cast such the Pinocets and Idi Amins of world history.

Something tells me that even if we quantified it as best we could, that humanism would come out ahead of religion, if not for all-time, definitely in the past 2-300 years.
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Who the **** cares about Kerry?!?!

I commended Bush for his actions, and you try and turn around and bash Kerry? Ask me if I care.

Try reading what I post, and if I need to say it for the umpteenth time, I am voting Badnarik because I don't agree with the stance either Kerry or Bush have taken on 95% of the actual issues.

My inabililty to grasp the meaning of religion and it;s base in America?!?!?

WTF?!?!

I grasp the fact that more people have DIED in the name of religion than in any other cause! How's that for a moral right for you?
You seem to get pissed off easily. You also seem to be a flip-flop type just like Kerry.

So you voting for Badnarik?
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Old 10-17-2004, 04:05 PM   #13
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Who the **** cares about Kerry?!?!

I commended Bush for his actions, and you try and turn around and bash Kerry? Ask me if I care.

Try reading what I post, and if I need to say it for the umpteenth time, I am voting Badnarik because I don't agree with the stance either Kerry or Bush have taken on 95% of the actual issues.

My inabililty to grasp the meaning of religion and it;s base in America?!?!?

WTF?!?!

I grasp the fact that more people have DIED in the name of religion than in any other cause! How's that for a moral right for you?


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and the religion of Science made most of those deaths possible...
So I'm guessing you are against the 2nd ammendment?
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I would suspect that there's no way to substantiate this common figure of speech, and that a miniscule percentage of people even think about whether or not it's true before using it because it serves the purposes of the argument. I don't suppose you have gone on such a quest?

I would also suspect that as many people have died in the name of a humanist world view as a religious one. A humanist worldview, the view that man determines for himself what is right and wrong, kills 4,400 unborn children every day.

But among those who make it out of the womb, to begin the humanist tally for the "number of people died in the name of" contest, one would need to count the work of Josef Stalin (who was actually a seminary student before his change of worldview), around 20 million people or so, throw in Hitler's > 6 million, Kim Il Sung in Korea had several million. Mao in China, the consummate atheist state, with around 20 million, Pol Pot, around 2 million. Plus who knows how many members of a supporting cast such the Pinocets and Idi Amins of world history.

Something tells me that even if we quantified it as best we could, that humanism would come out ahead of religion, if not for all-time, definitely in the past 2-300 years.
I'm not a humanist either.

I think already stated (multiple times, but lets do it once again here), I'm an isolationist when it comes to foreign policy.
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