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Old 10-17-2004, 06:44 PM  
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Kerry Warns of January Surprise

Good. I certainly hope so.

Kerry Warns of 'January' Surprise
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:11 p.m. ET Oct. 17, 2004

WASHINGTON - Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry accused President Bush on Sunday of planning a surprise second-term effort to privatize Social Security and forecast a “disaster for America’s middle class.”

Republicans denied the charge as scare tactics with little more than two weeks remaining in a tight election. “It is just flat inaccurate,” said GOP chairman Ed Gillespie.

The clash erupted as the polls made the race for the White House a close one, seemingly tilting Bush’s way despite debates that bolstered his Democratic rival’s standing.

“God, there’s so many polls,” lamented the president’s brother, Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida. “I mean, it’s like you could just be obsessed with focusing on that rather than the reason to support somebody,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.”

After a campaign that has exposed deep differences between the two candidates over the war on terrorism, Iraq, the economy and more, Kerry and Bush hoped not


The president took a day off from campaigning. While his rival was in Ohio and Florida, Bush readied what aides called a major speech on terrorism for Monday in New Jersey, where millions live within sight of the terrorist-scarred lower Manhattan skyline.

With the White House as his campaign backdrop, the president-candidate also was signing a $33 billion measure for homeland security.

Increasingly, Republicans and Democrats alike were focusing on voter mobilization efforts in a dozen or so states that remained competitive.

Not surprisingly, Florida got special emphasis as Democrats sought to avenge the bitterly disputed recount that propelled Bush to the presidency in 2000.

Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards urged members of a black congregation at Greater Friendship Baptist Church in Daytona Beach to take advantage of early voting as soon as it opened on Monday.

“There’s no reason to wait till November the second,” said the North Carolina senator.

Policy shift on Haitian deportation
Gov. Bush said the White House was considering a policy change that could affect the state. The administration is considering a temporary halt in the deportation of Haitians fleeing their country because of recent severe hurricane damage, he said, an issue of importance to the state’s Haitian population. Kerry called for the step to be taken last week.

Kerry talked about Social Security from the pulpit of the Mt. Olivet Baptist Church in Columbus, Ohio, citing a report in The New York Times Magazine that quoted Bush as telling supporters that “privatizing Social Security” would be high on his second-term agenda.

He called it Bush’s “January surprise,” and said it may be good for “the wealthiest people and the well connected in America, but it’s a disaster for America’s middle class.”

Citing estimates from the Congressional Budget Office, Kerry said Bush’s plan would mean “benefit cuts for seniors of between 25 percent and 45 percent. That’s up to $500 less for food, for clothing, for the occasional gift for a grandchild,” he said, and vowed anew not to cut benefits or raise the retirement age if elected.

Bush has long advocated overhauling Social Security to allow younger workers the choice of putting a portion of their payroll taxes into private accounts.

Aides also have said that current Social Security beneficiaries and those approaching the age of eligibility would not be required to accept any changes in the current system.

But implicit in any such modification is the need either to replace or offset the money that will begin flowing to private accounts rather than traditional Social Security. Estimates run into the trillions of dollars over several years.

GOP data: ‘Privatize’ a dirty word
Purely in political terms, Republican survey data long ago discovered that voters recoil at the use of the word “privatize” in connection with either Social Security or Medicare.

With Bush taking a campaign day off, his surrogates leapt to his defense.

Gillespie said the account of Bush’s remarks was a “second-hand report and it is just flat inaccurate.” Appearing on CNN’s “Late Edition,” he also said it was based on “hearsay.” Gillespie said he often attends events such as the one cited, but added he couldn’t be certain whether he had been at the one featured in the story.

Bush’s campaign spokesman was more blunt.

“John Kerry’s misleading senior scare tactics are just another example of a candidate who will say anything to get elected,” said spokesman Steve Schmidt, “no matter how false his accusations or how contradictory they are with his record of repeatedly voting for higher taxes on Social Security.”


George is stating he is not doing so, this is one time I hope he is lying.
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Old 10-17-2004, 06:50 PM   #2
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George is stating he is not doing so, this is one time I hope he is lying.
Agreed. This is the one issue I agree with Bush on. I actually wish he would have done it in his first term. Every year I wait I lose more money.
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Old 10-17-2004, 06:52 PM   #3
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Agreed. This is the one issue I agree with Bush on. I actually wish he would have done it in his first term. Every year I wait I lose more money.
Amen, let me take that money and invest it on my own. Hell, even a standard bank account has a better return rate.
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Old 10-17-2004, 06:57 PM   #4
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Sooner or later some Pol is going to have to take the heat for converting Social Security. The system is going to die a slow agonizing death. I am 43 years old and have no hope of seeing a dime of what I put in. I know my kids are going to be squeezed to death by the burden of trying to keep this program afloat.

Its time to do something about it!
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Old 10-17-2004, 06:59 PM   #5
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This is amusing. sKerry is now attacking Bush for things that haven't even happened yet. And all the while he responds to attacks on himself with "I have a plan..."
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:03 PM   #6
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I don't even know any Democrats that are against privatizing social security. I'm sure their out there, but I think Kerry is under the false impression that most Americans will think this is a bad thing.
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:11 PM   #7
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:16 PM   #8
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I don't even know any Democrats that are against privatizing social security. I'm sure their out there, but I think Kerry is under the false impression that most Americans will think this is a bad thing.
Kerry's argument is that Bush is going to cut current social security benefits to allow younger workers to set up private accounts. Kerry's running an ad that uses quotes that a New York Times writer admitted he had not heard (but attributed to Bush anyway) to say that Bush is going to cut benefits.

Of course I'm already on record against Bush just not coming out and saying we'll borrow the money to actually FIX social security (which is what his plan actually does). It's better for the recipient and, in the end, less expensive to just borrow the transition funds (especially now when the rates are historically low).
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:16 PM   #9
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This is amusing. sKerry is now attacking Bush for things that haven't even happened yet.
Yet another thing that the left does that is lame.

And on another note the right does it...and its still lame.
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:21 PM   #10
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Yet another thing that the left does that is lame.

And on another note the right does it...and its still lame.
Just like the "bush is bringing back the draft" crap.

Just like the run-of-the-mill "bush wants to take insurance away from everyone and steal pills from old ladies".

Just make something up, and then hint that they are going to do it. That's apparently enough substantiation.
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:22 PM   #11
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Just like the "bush is bringing back the draft" crap.

Just like the run-of-the-mill "bush wants to take insurance away from everyone and steal pills from old ladies".

Just make something up, and then hint that they are going to do it. That's apparently enough substantiation.
I am not disagreeing with any of those points. All I am saying is that it goes down on both sides.
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:00 PM   #12
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The basic attack method of Kerry has been to accuse the president of "Planning" to do things that he knows will cause a stir. Why is it that he doesn't have to justify his comments?
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:03 PM   #13
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The basic attack method of Kerry has been to accuse the president of "Planning" to do things that he knows will cause a stir. Why is it that he doesn't have to justify his comments?
Kerry has done alot of that...and I dont like it. Yet, I dont understand how you folks keep shaping these comments and act like Bush hasn't...
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:04 PM   #14
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Kerry has done alot of that...and I dont like it. Yet, I dont understand how you folks keep shaping these comments and act like Bush hasn't...
Which ones has Bush done?
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:15 PM   #15
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Which ones has Bush done?
Bush has stated many plans of Kerry's he feels will fail...selling fear...just like Kerry is doing with Bush...I am confused as to how this is not part of the game.

Both guys have plans...both guys are trying to convince the country the others will fail...

Bush said in the debates he doesnt beleve the country will be safer if Kerry is in office...
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