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Old 10-22-2004, 01:44 PM  
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Insurgency grows...funded by Saudis

When are we going to stop sucking Saudi Arabia's cock? No one seems to remember, but the terrorists were actually Saudi Arabians.


from the NY Times:

Estimates by U.S. See More Rebels With More Funds
By ERIC SCHMITT and THOM SHANKER

Published: October 22, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 21 - Senior American officials are beginning to assemble a new portrait of the insurgency that has continued to inflict casualties on American and Iraqi forces, showing that it has significantly more fighters and far greater financial resources than had been estimated.

When foreign fighters and the network of a Jordanian militant, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, are counted with home-grown insurgents, the hard-core resistance numbers between 8,000 and 12,000 people, a tally that swells to more than 20,000 when active sympathizers or covert accomplices are included, according to the American officials.

These estimates contrast sharply with earlier intelligence reports, in which the number of insurgents has varied from as few as 2,000 to a maximum of 7,000. The revised estimate is influencing the military campaign in Iraq, but has not prompted a wholesale review of the strategy, officials said.

In recent interviews, military and other government officials in Iraq and Washington said the core of the Iraqi insurgency now consisted of as many as 50 militant cells that draw on "unlimited money'' from an underground financial network run by former Baath Party leaders and Saddam Hussein's relatives..

Their financing is supplemented in great part by wealthy Saudi donors and Islamic charities that funnel large sums of cash through Syria, according to these officials, who have access to detailed intelligence reports.

Only half the estimated $1 billion the Hussein government put in Syrian banks before the war has been recovered, Pentagon officials said. There is no tally of money flowing through Syria to Iraq from wealthy Saudis or Islamic charities, but a Pentagon official said the figure is "significant."


Unclassified assessments by some private analysts have recently sounded some of the same warnings. This week, the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, in releasing its annual global military survey, said perhaps 1,000 Islamic jihadists have entered Iraq to join the fight, and it estimated that it would take five years for the American military to prepare Iraqi forces to take over fully from the forces of the United States and its allies.

American military and Pentagon officials continue to hold that as Iraqi security forces increase in numbers and effectiveness, they will be able to gather even more detailed and timely information, an important consideration if the insurgency is to be stifled. Perhaps the most important variable, these officials note, is that a large segment of the Iraqi population still has not decided whether to give active support to the new government.

Despite concerns about foreign fighters, American officials said the most significant challenge to the stabilization effort came from domestic Iraqi insurgents, and not from foreign terrorists, despite the violence of attacks organized or carried out by foreigners.

These officials said that in many places, secular Sunni Muslim insurgent leaders - mostly Hussein-era supporters - were being challenged and even surpassed in authority by militant Sunni activists from inside Iraq. This development presents fresh concerns to Ayad Allawi, the interim prime minister, as he tries to negotiate a political solution to stalemates in places like Falluja, where Pentagon and military officials say the insurgency increasingly is taking on a radical Islamic face.

Throughout the occupation of Iraq, American officials have struggled to construct an accurate portrait of the insurgency they have been fighting. In discussing this most recent intelligence, the officials appeared to present a fuller picture of the security problems than has been provided in previous interviews or other public statements.

But just as some earlier intelligence estimates before the war have proved incorrect, specialists acknowledge that the current assessments, too, are inevitably imperfect......

it goes on for 2 more pages etc....
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Old 10-22-2004, 02:00 PM   #2
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The Wahabi sect has been the biggest pain in our ass for quite some time now. Oh yeah, they just happen to be based out of Saudi Arabia.

Our gov't is trying to get the royal family to crack down on those phockheads, but some of them (the extended royal family) actually support the 'insurgency'.

I agree someone needs to stomp a mudhole in the Wahabi hate clerics(bit redundant), but I don't see what the US can do about it directly w/o alienating the Saudi Royal family (specifically Prince Saud); turning a regional ally and business partner against us.

Main problem stems from the Saudis' anti-semitism. (an epidemic in the ME)
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Old 10-22-2004, 02:03 PM   #3
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Why should we stop befriending them...

oil is over $55.00 a barrel and their support of terror is GOOD for the military budget.
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Old 10-22-2004, 02:11 PM   #4
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Main problem stems from the Saudis' anti-semitism. (an epidemic in the ME)
well, yep... this epidemic is the reason for all the other problems in the region.
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Old 10-22-2004, 02:42 PM   #5
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Why should we stop befriending them...

oil is over $55.00 a barrel and their support of terror is GOOD for the military budget.
Ok, so we tell them to **** OFF. Where would you go get our oil?

It's a nasty ordeal any way you look at it.
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Old 10-22-2004, 03:28 PM   #6
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Old 10-22-2004, 03:52 PM   #7
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When are we going to stop sucking Saudi Arabia's cock? No one seems to remember, but the terrorists were actually Saudi Arabians.


from the NY Times:

Estimates by U.S. See More Rebels With More Funds
By ERIC SCHMITT and THOM SHANKER

Published: October 22, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 21 - Senior American officials are beginning to assemble a new portrait of the insurgency that has continued to inflict casualties on American and Iraqi forces, showing that it has significantly more fighters and far greater financial resources than had been estimated.

When foreign fighters and the network of a Jordanian militant, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, are counted with home-grown insurgents, the hard-core resistance numbers between 8,000 and 12,000 people, a tally that swells to more than 20,000 when active sympathizers or covert accomplices are included, according to the American officials.

These estimates contrast sharply with earlier intelligence reports, in which the number of insurgents has varied from as few as 2,000 to a maximum of 7,000. The revised estimate is influencing the military campaign in Iraq, but has not prompted a wholesale review of the strategy, officials said.

In recent interviews, military and other government officials in Iraq and Washington said the core of the Iraqi insurgency now consisted of as many as 50 militant cells that draw on "unlimited money'' from an underground financial network run by former Baath Party leaders and Saddam Hussein's relatives..

Their financing is supplemented in great part by wealthy Saudi donors and Islamic charities that funnel large sums of cash through Syria, according to these officials, who have access to detailed intelligence reports.

Only half the estimated $1 billion the Hussein government put in Syrian banks before the war has been recovered, Pentagon officials said. There is no tally of money flowing through Syria to Iraq from wealthy Saudis or Islamic charities, but a Pentagon official said the figure is "significant."


Unclassified assessments by some private analysts have recently sounded some of the same warnings. This week, the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, in releasing its annual global military survey, said perhaps 1,000 Islamic jihadists have entered Iraq to join the fight, and it estimated that it would take five years for the American military to prepare Iraqi forces to take over fully from the forces of the United States and its allies.

American military and Pentagon officials continue to hold that as Iraqi security forces increase in numbers and effectiveness, they will be able to gather even more detailed and timely information, an important consideration if the insurgency is to be stifled. Perhaps the most important variable, these officials note, is that a large segment of the Iraqi population still has not decided whether to give active support to the new government.

Despite concerns about foreign fighters, American officials said the most significant challenge to the stabilization effort came from domestic Iraqi insurgents, and not from foreign terrorists, despite the violence of attacks organized or carried out by foreigners.

These officials said that in many places, secular Sunni Muslim insurgent leaders - mostly Hussein-era supporters - were being challenged and even surpassed in authority by militant Sunni activists from inside Iraq. This development presents fresh concerns to Ayad Allawi, the interim prime minister, as he tries to negotiate a political solution to stalemates in places like Falluja, where Pentagon and military officials say the insurgency increasingly is taking on a radical Islamic face.

Throughout the occupation of Iraq, American officials have struggled to construct an accurate portrait of the insurgency they have been fighting. In discussing this most recent intelligence, the officials appeared to present a fuller picture of the security problems than has been provided in previous interviews or other public statements.

But just as some earlier intelligence estimates before the war have proved incorrect, specialists acknowledge that the current assessments, too, are inevitably imperfect......

it goes on for 2 more pages etc....
How many cars do you own Can? Is one an SUV? When you drive it, do you carpool? Do you take public transit if it is afailable.

When are you going to stop sucking Saudi Arabia's juice?

55 Dollar oil has got to go. I wish Bush would kick SA's ass, but then all the Democrats would bitch about how an unjust war for oil it is.

Can't figure the Dems out except they are ALWAYS bitching about something, and then they won't look in the mirror for the solution.
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Old 10-22-2004, 10:58 PM   #8
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The Wahabi sect has been the biggest pain in our ass for quite some time now. Oh yeah, they just happen to be based out of Saudi Arabia.

Our gov't is trying to get the royal family to crack down on those phockheads, but some of them (the extended royal family) actually support the 'insurgency'.

I agree someone needs to stomp a mudhole in the Wahabi hate clerics(bit redundant), but I don't see what the US can do about it directly w/o alienating the Saudi Royal family (specifically Prince Saud); turning a regional ally and business partner against us.

Main problem stems from the Saudis' anti-semitism. (an epidemic in the ME)
Add in the fact that the Royal family is losing their hold on their nation. Many international pundits state it is no longer a question of "maybe" but rather "when".
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Are they with us or against us? If it's the latter, we should turn that country to glass.
Thanks for volunteering to pull the oil after the last bomb is dropped.
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