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Old 11-15-2004, 10:20 AM  
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Offensive Incompetance - Its a fact!

I moved this from another Thread, so sorry if you saw it on the Defense thread first.

Chiefs Offensive Performance Yesterday:
511 yards ....... 20 points
178 yards per TD - - Running around in circles?
The field is only 100 Yards long.

The colts Today had 398 Total Yards & 49 Points.
56 yards per TD. - - Efficiency & Execution

The Chiefs are structured similar to the Colts (High Power Offense - Low power Defense.) In order to be successful the Chiefs Must stop squandering Opportunities.

We are not the 85 Bears People....... Expecting the Defense win games for us has once again proven to be a foolish notion. This Defense is Not going to hold many teams Under 20 Points, so the Offense Must score MORE than 20 every game to have a chance to Win.

EXPECTING the Defense to hold teams to 19 Points While the Pro-Bowl Laden Offense Runs around like Girls for 511 yard & scores 20 points is ridiculous.

The offense has squandered WAY too many opportunities this year, and consistently plays DOWN to level of competition.



Just for fun I calculated the "Offensive Efficiency" in Yards Gained per Touchdown for all of the winning teams this week:

NO = 96
Cincinati =130
Arizona = 70
Pittsburg = 87
Baltimore = 91
Jags = 126
Atlanta = 94
STL = 140
Panthers = 67
Chicago = 64
Green Bay = 91
NE = 103

KC = 178

So No team that won this week squandered more opportunities than the Chiefs. Which means regardless of the Defensive performance this week no NFL team was able to throw that many opportunities away & still be victorious.
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:26 AM   #2
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Hrrmmm, I wonder if it had anything to do with us having a pro-bowl RB and our most effective scorer on the bench.
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:37 AM   #3
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Hrrmmm, I wonder if it had anything to do with us having a pro-bowl RB and our most effective scorer on the bench.
I would agree. Although I like Blaylock and he had a monster game, I tend to think Priest would've been much better near the goaline. IMO, he's one of the best ever short yardage and goal situations running backs.
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:42 AM   #4
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Its idiotic to expect the offense to score 30 points a game over the season overall the defense is 80% responsible for the losing and the oggense maybe 20%! Basically you're saying football is won with all offense and no defense with is stupid!
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:52 AM   #5
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Basically you're saying football is won with all offense and no defense with is stupid!
No I am saying you simply cannot throw away opportunities again & again & again ... and still expect to win.

This team is unbalanced , and mostly built on Offense - ALL of our probowlers are on Offense, so in the Chiefs case we must expect more from the Unit where all the the money is spent, and all of the PB'er Are. - - Stop making excuses for them, 20 points is not enough

IF this team was built on Defense, with an allpro Defensive line, and Probowlers all over the field on Defense, then we would all expect the Defense to carry the load....

It is Idiotic to expect the Defense to hold the opposition to 19 Points every game if you havent spent any Money on defense.
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:56 AM   #6
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What THE HELL DOES 19 POINTS GAME HAVE TO DO WITH A DEFENSE THAT GIVES UP 30 A GAME??? Proves your logic is screwy!
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:58 AM   #7
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We are 3-6 because our defense can't stop anyone.

Bottom line.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:03 AM   #8
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Hrrmmm, I wonder if it had anything to do with us having a pro-bowl RB and our most effective scorer on the bench.
It could be. I think DB had an excellent game, but with Priest in, we could have scored at least 2 more TD's.

The bottom line is because the defense is so awful, the offense has to score 45 points a game to win. It sucks but it's the way it is.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:04 AM   #9
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What THE HELL DOES 19 POINTS GAME HAVE TO DO WITH A DEFENSE THAT GIVES UP 30 A GAME??? Proves your logic is screwy!
Our Offense Scored 20 - So to win we would need to hold them to 19.

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We are 3-6 because our defense can't stop anyone.
AND because we throw away multiple scoring opportunities in every game
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:05 AM   #10
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Our Offense Scored 20 - So to win we would need to hold them to 19.



AND because we throw away multiple scoring opportunities in every game
You've gotta be kidding me.

So the offense has to be perfect while the defense can be the worst and get a pass?

That's the reason we are 3-6?

Please.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:07 AM   #11
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My last chance to attempt to explain this.

1. It is a fact that the defense isn't that good.
2. It is a fact that there is not much talent on defense.
3. It is a fact that the offense has a lot of talent and can play very well at times.
4. Because of 1-3 (above) the offense must carry the defense.
5. Because of 1-3 (above) the offense must capitalize whenever the defense happens to make good plays.
6. When the offense fumbles the ball inside the red zone, can't punch it in on 6 attempts from inside the 10, goes 3 and out after a nice defensive INT, can't get out of bounds to kick a field goal, throws INTs in the redzone and gives up sacks on 3 man rushes, the TEAM IS NOT GOING TO WIN.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:15 AM   #12
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You've gotta be kidding me.

So the offense has to be perfect while the defense can be the worst and get a pass?

That's the reason we are 3-6?

Please.
Our defense was not "the Worst" they did make stops today, and gave the Offense opportunities to score.

No the Offense does not have to be perfect, But it has to be High powered.

So How many points would you expect a "High powered Offense" to score against a horrible team? - 20? at what point are you willing to admit that this is not good enough?

Yes the Defense Sucks, but the Offense is Not picking up the slack.

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Old 11-15-2004, 11:27 AM   #13
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The Chiefs are structured similar to the Colts (High Power Offense - Low power Defense.) In order to be successful the Chiefs Must stop squandering Opportunities.



This philosphy is flawed....You cant ask your offense to be perfect every week and on every single drive! Its just not gonna happen. Even the best teams make mistakes on offense from time to time. The way this team is structured they have to be perfect on Offense every game. Even Vermeil's 99 Rams team played defense to some extent. At least they could shutdown bad teams....we cant even do that. Bottom line, you cant be a winner in the NFL with a lopsided team.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:32 AM   #14
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What was our efficiency in 2002 and 2003? Pretty high, I bet. We're getting no TOs, no big special teams plays, no fumble recoveries. I know no one likes to hear it, but bad luck is major reason why we are 3-6. We were 13-3 last year with smoke-and-mirrors...

We were a 9-7 team last year and we are a 9-7 team this year. (Actually this team is a little better than last year.) We didn't capitalize on our good fortune last year.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:45 AM   #15
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Sad, but true...


Very good points.

Understanding and accepting the relative value of the Defense and Offense is not “giving the Defense a pass.” It is acknowledging that we have a bad Defense and that the Offense [where all the talent resides] has to carry the load.

Chiefnj summarized in a logical, reasoned manner in Post #11.

I do not like it. I love Defense and it breaks my heart to see the Chiefs Defense as crappy as it is. However, my dislike does not alter the situation. The Defense stinks this season and the Offense is not playing up to its potential. Hence, our record.

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