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Old 11-17-2004, 11:11 PM  
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Interesting Bob Gretz article....

This first and third parts I agree on. The 2nd part, no. Notice I said interesting, not exactly good.

GRETZ: The Answer Man Returns
Nov 17, 2004, 5:59:36 AM by Bob Gretz


Welcome to KRAP-AM and KRAP-FM, the semi-official voice of the entire Chiefs Kingdom. Itís now time for Answer Man, the most listened to sports call in show in all of the red states. Now, hereís your host Ö the Answer Man.



Good afternoon, the lines are jammed with disgruntled Chiefs fans, so letís go right to the phones. Hereís Jack in the Plaza. What say you Jack?

Carl Peterson is responsible for all of this mess and Iím tired of you and his other lackeys protecting him. He sat and did nothing in the off-season to improve this team and now we are paying the price.

Well Jack, thereís no doubt that Carl Peterson has to take responsibility for the poor Chiefs season. Thatís something heís done since heís took over the franchise back in 1989. In tough times before, itís something heís never run away from and thatís not going to happen now.

But given the disappointment of the 3-6 record, thereís plenty of blame to go around. Donít stop at Peterson. The personnel staff, the coaching staff and the players get to share in this blame as well. To date, the 2004 Chiefs have been a major underachiever and blame for that starts at the top and rolls right through to the bottom of the roster.

Letís go to Kevin out in JoCo Land. Whatís your comment?

I agree with Jack. The Chiefs should have been out there spending money in free agency to help their defense. Itís a lack of talent thatís killing them.

OK Kevin, name me a defensive free agent the Chiefs could have signed that would have come in and made a difference?

Ah, ah Ö how about Troy Vincent.

Is that the same Troy Vincent who has been injured most of the season up in Buffalo, where the Bills also have a 3-6 record. Obviously heís not made much of an impact.

Ok, how about Warren Sapp.

Oh, heís made such a big difference in the Oakland defense! Come on! If anything, the Chiefs defensive line has done a good job this season, without a loudmouth like Sapp.

What about Antonio Winfield?

Now, that would have been a nice addition, but it would have cost the Chiefs a lot of money and have you seen the Vikings defensive statistics? Thatís 30th in yards allowed and 29th against the pass. Those numbers are worse than the Chiefs (26th in yards and against the pass.)

They still should have done something in free agency.

How about this Kevin, if anything I would say the Chiefs were too active in free agency last year with defensive players. Donít forget, free agency includes signing your own players who are about to become, or are unrestricted free agents. For some reason, nobody wants to count that as part of free agency. Itís the avenue of the free agency system that is traveled the most by NFL teams: keeping their own.

The Chiefs signed five of their own free agents on the defensive side of the ball: Eric Hicks, John Browning, William Bartee, Jerome Woods and Greg Wesley. In light of whatís happened with this defense, I think you can question whether that was a good decision. Right now Hicks and Browning are standing up and playing like they were good investments. Bartee, Woods and Wesley are not.

Letís go back to the phones and bring in Joe from Midtown. What say you Joe?

The problem this defense has is that Woods and Wesley are too slow. They canít keep up with wide receivers in this league. How could the Chiefs not see that?

First of all Joe, Woods and Wesley are too slow to be covering wide receivers. So are 98 percent of the other safeties in the league. Safeties donít often cover the wideouts and when they do, thatís a mismatch for any offense.

But Woods and Wesley are not too slow to play the position. Joe, name the best safety in the last 20 years to wear a Chiefs uniform.

Ah, ah Ö well I used to think it was Jerome Woods.

Well itís not and never was. It was Deron Cherry (1981-91.) He played there with great skill and made great contributions to the Chiefs defense and was selected to six Pro Bowls. He wasnít fast of foot. Remember, Cherryís appearance as an undrafted rookie in the Chiefs 1981 training camp was as a punter.

Cherry made up for his lack of speed with an incredible work ethic when it came to understanding what the opponent was going to do. He spent hours studying film of opponents. He kept detailed logs of what they did and how they went about implementing their offense. Cherry became a starter in 1983 and in a few years, he accumulated enough knowledge and information about the other teams in the AFC West that half the time he knew what they were going to do on offense, before the quarterback ever got the play from the sidelines.

Thatís how all great safeties play the position: they recognize keys, study tendencies and put themselves in the right position to make plays. Itís about taking the correct angle when the ball is in the air. Itís about not letting a receiver get behind you, as both Woods and Wesley did on the same play last Sunday in New Orleans. Itís about knowing where the ball is when itís been thrown. Itís about not letting a receiver go uncovered on 1st-and-goal at the three-yard line.

The play of Woods and Wesley has not been good enough. But, itís not because of their legs.
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:25 PM   #2
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Well Jack, thereís no doubt that Carl Peterson has to take responsibility for the poor Chiefs season. Thatís something heís done since heís took over the franchise back in 1989. In tough times before, itís something heís never run away from and thatís not going to happen now.
Taking responsibalty for your mistakes and learning from your mistakes is two different things.
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:35 PM   #3
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Gretz is dead-on with most of this stuff.
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:44 PM   #4
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Gretz is dead-on with most of this stuff.
yea, but will he write about the obvious solution? A total organizational anima.
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Old 11-18-2004, 04:34 AM   #5
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yea, but will he write about the obvious solution? A total organizational anima.
Good point, because the underachieving, its time to restructure the entire organization.........
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Old 11-18-2004, 05:57 AM   #6
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It's real easy to "take responsibility" for your mistakes if there are no consequences for making them.
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Old 11-18-2004, 06:27 AM   #7
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Old 11-18-2004, 06:33 AM   #8
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yea, but will he write about the obvious solution? A total organizational anima.
I think you mean a total organization anime - you know where we have Japanese cartoonists come in and give all the players special powers, bulging eyes, and round mouths. It just might work.

OTOH, an enema might be good for cleaning all the crap out.

As for anima, I'm not so sure organizations have souls - at least not in the Jungian concept of the unconcsious true inner self. However, if the chiefs do have an unconscious true inner self, it sure needs a kick in the rear.
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Old 11-18-2004, 06:41 AM   #9
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Old 11-18-2004, 06:41 AM   #10
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I think you mean a total organization anime - you know where we have Japanese cartoonists come in and give all the players special powers, bulging eyes, and round mouths. It just might work.

OTOH, an enema might be good for cleaning all the crap out.
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Old 11-18-2004, 06:42 AM   #11
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As for anima, I'm not so sure organizations have souls - at least not in the Jungian concept of the unconcsious true inner self. However, if the chiefs do have an unconscious true inner self, it sure needs a kick in the rear.
I belive this team does have a "true inner self," and it is the straying from that which has lead to our 3 & $#it record...
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Old 11-18-2004, 07:06 AM   #13
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Correct, IMO...


Gretz makes very clear and reasoned points.

Too bad it is wasted effort.

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Old 11-18-2004, 07:10 AM   #14
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Old 11-18-2004, 07:14 AM   #15
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No excusses here, just another way of looking at this.....

I do believe that alot of fans are forgetting the 5 yard rule enforcement. Years ago, Hasty, Cherry, any CB or Safety could bump recievers, slow them down, cause them to change route before a pass was thrown.

These guys we have now dohave to play by a different set of rules. With this being said, I know other teams have to play by these same rules, maybe it's going to have to take some time to adjust , change their style of play within the scheme ?

Food for thought ......
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