Was There Pass Interference Against Tony Gonzalez in the End Zone?

Amnorix · 11-24-2004, 07:39 AM

I'm posting a link to the highlights of the Pats/KC game, and at about the 1:00 mark they show the play that resulted in the Rodney Harrison interception of Trent Green.

http://originwww.patriots.com/mediac...c=nflfilmclips

Now, first, it's clearly a horrible idea for Green to have thrown it in there at all. Second, as Dick Vermeil said, if anything the ball should have been thrown much higher. BUT, both Green and Gonzalez have complained publicly since then that it was clearly pass interference and should have been called.

I don't see it as anything more than tight coverage by Harrison (37) and Roman Phifer (95). Please let me know what you think, since I'll admit I'm not unbiased...

cadmonkey · 11-24-2004, 07:42 AM

Get out of here you Patriots troll!!! Oh wait........

beer bacon · 11-24-2004, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'm posting a link to the highlights of the Pats/KC game, and at about the 1:00 mark they show the play that resulted in the Rodney Harrison interception of Trent Green.

http://originwww.patriots.com/media...ac=nflfilmclips

Now, first, it's clearly a horrible idea for Green to have thrown it in there at all. Second, as Dick Vermeil said, if anything the ball should have been thrown much higher. BUT, both Green and Gonzalez have complained publicly since then that it was clearly pass interference and should have been called.

I don't see it as anything more than tight coverage by Harrison (37) and Roman Phifer (95). Please let me know what you think, since I'll admit I'm not unbiased...

It looked like to me that the guy that was covering TG on the inside was all over him. The thing is, much like O-linemen holding, you see something like this almost every play of every game and it is really just up to the refs to call it or not. TG is constantly manhandled by defenses and despite the new supposed new rule enforcement, he almost never gets PI calls in his favor.

In closing, I voted yes, but with the caveat that their is defensive PI a lot more then it is called.

Amnorix · 11-24-2004, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

Get out of here you Patriots troll!!! Oh wait........

Hey! We both resemble that remark...

teedubya · 11-24-2004, 07:45 AM

Tony gets mauled week in and week out... I dont remember that last time he got a call going his way.

We have just become used to it... I really thought with the new 5 yard rule that Gonzo would have a huge year, but not one call that I can remember has gone his way... and he is constantly getting owned outside of 5 yards.

Amnorix · 11-24-2004, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by beer baron

It looked like to me that the guy that was covering TG on the inside was all over him. The thing is, much like O-linemen holding, you see something like this almost every play of every game and it is really just up to the refs to call it or not. TG is constantly manhandled by defenses and despite the new supposed new rule enforcement, he almost never gets PI calls in his favor.

He gets mauled inside the 5 yard chuck limit, then breaks free, with Phifer running right in front of him (between him and Green). You're saying he was hit, held or interfered with after the 5 yards?

Amnorix · 11-24-2004, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

Tony gets mauled week in and week out... I dont remember that last time he got a call going his way.

We have just become used to it... I really thought with the new 5 yard rule that Gonzo would have a huge year, but not one call that I can remember has gone his way... and he is constantly getting owned outside of 5 yards.

Maybe so, I dunno. Let me know what you think of THIS play.

jspchief · 11-24-2004, 07:50 AM

At the very least it looks like illegal contact by Phifer near the goal line. Unfortunately, the contact had nothing to do with the interception.

Coach · 11-24-2004, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

At the very least it looks like illegal contact by Phifer near the goal line. Unfortunately, the contact had nothing to do with the interception.

Actually, if there was a flag thrown, and if the officials call it defensive holding, the INT is wiped out, and we get half the distance to the goal, and new set of downs.

beer bacon · 11-24-2004, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

He gets mauled inside the 5 yard chuck limit, then breaks free, with Phifer running right in front of him (between him and Green). You're saying he was hit, held or interfered with after the 5 yards?

The outside man hand hands on TG past the five yard limit. Although you can't see it that well from that view, the inside man has hands on hands on TG all the way into the endzone, and something like that can matter a lot in the endzone. Despite this, it would not have been a problem if Green would have thrown a jump ball instead of throwing it so low.

Redcoats58 · 11-24-2004, 07:56 AM

Well if you pause the video right when Gonzo is crossing the goal line you can see Harrison into the body of Tony G. in which we all know is illegal because he is 5 yards past the chuck zone. It's not that it really matters anyway I believed our season was over two weeks ago. I also agree with the others that Tony usually gets molested most games and nothing is ever called unless it is offensive pass interference on him. Oh well there is always next year(the motto of a Chief fan).

King_Chief_Fan · 11-24-2004, 07:58 AM

Of course not.........if it was, it would have been called, right?

ROYC75 · 11-24-2004, 07:59 AM

P.I. ? Nope

Illegal Contact ... very possible, I would have to look at it again, I've been to depressed to look or watch the tape again...

Should Green have forced the pass.... No way, bad decision , unless he wanted a penalty called, which in this case he didn't get it.

BTW, I didn't vote...... If you had put up on the poll a bad decision on Green, I would have voted.

Coach · 11-24-2004, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Redcoats58

Oh well there is always next year(the motto of a Chief fan).

beer bacon · 11-24-2004, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

Of course not.........if it was, it would have been called, right?

That reminds me. Nearly everytime I see a big run by an RB that starts out as just a run up the middle, there is always at least one O-linemen holding the front of a D-linemen's jersey/shoulderpads right around where the hole is formed. It is really starting to aggravate me.

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11-24-2004, 07:39 AM
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $29908	Was There Pass Interference Against Tony Gonzalez in the End Zone? I'm posting a link to the highlights of the Pats/KC game, and at about the 1:00 mark they show the play that resulted in the Rodney Harrison interception of Trent Green. http://originwww.patriots.com/mediac...c=nflfilmclips Now, first, it's clearly a horrible idea for Green to have thrown it in there at all. Second, as Dick Vermeil said, if anything the ball should have been thrown much higher. BUT, both Green and Gonzalez have complained publicly since then that it was clearly pass interference and should have been called. I don't see it as anything more than tight coverage by Harrison (37) and Roman Phifer (95). Please let me know what you think, since I'll admit I'm not unbiased...
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11-24-2004, 07:42 AM	#2
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teedubya Remember LAST Year!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $27997	Tony gets mauled week in and week out... I dont remember that last time he got a call going his way. We have just become used to it... I really thought with the new 5 yard rule that Gonzo would have a huge year, but not one call that I can remember has gone his way... and he is constantly getting owned outside of 5 yards.
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11-24-2004, 07:50 AM	#8
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $18810	At the very least it looks like illegal contact by Phifer near the goal line. Unfortunately, the contact had nothing to do with the interception. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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11-24-2004, 07:56 AM	#11
Redcoats58 MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Mo. Casino cash: $5155	Well if you pause the video right when Gonzo is crossing the goal line you can see Harrison into the body of Tony G. in which we all know is illegal because he is 5 yards past the chuck zone. It's not that it really matters anyway I believed our season was over two weeks ago. I also agree with the others that Tony usually gets molested most games and nothing is ever called unless it is offensive pass interference on him. Oh well there is always next year(the motto of a Chief fan).
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King_Chief_Fan Praise Him Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: none ya Casino cash: $15586	Of course not.........if it was, it would have been called, right? __________________ No Jesus No Peace Know Jesus Know Peace Ephesians 2:8-10 English Standard Version (ESV) 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
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11-24-2004, 07:59 AM	#13
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $2001000	P.I. ? Nope Illegal Contact ... very possible, I would have to look at it again, I've been to depressed to look or watch the tape again... Should Green have forced the pass.... No way, bad decision , unless he wanted a penalty called, which in this case he didn't get it. BTW, I didn't vote...... If you had put up on the poll a bad decision on Green, I would have voted. __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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