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Old 11-29-2004, 09:33 AM  
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What should the Chiefs do with a top 5 pick? Free agency and NFL draft strategy....

Obviously, we don't know what's going to happen yet, but the Chiefs may get a top 5 pick in the NFL draft. If we do have a top 5 pick, what should be done with it? Since we need soooooooo many upgrades on defense, should we trade down and accumulate picks? Or should we get one defensive stud from the draft? Should we go for quantity or quality? I know it's early to talk about this, but it's the only "light at the end of the tunnel" that I can think of to talk about. This season is over. I want the Chiefs to win, but I also see a silver lineing with every loss. Another loss gets us closer to a top 5 draft pick.

Here's another question: How many new players on D will it take to get a top 10 defense? 3 new players? 11 new players? 5 new players? Which positions? I think the most critical positions are CB, MLB & DE in that order. I think it'll take 3 new players and some shuffling of current players. Woods could be demoted or cut, while Harts or Pile could be promoted. Hicks and/or Holliday could be demoted or cut, while Allen could be promoted. Beisel and Mitchel may be better suited to play OLB. Warfield could be a serviceable #2 CB if we aquire a true #1 stud CB. McCleon and Bartee could be serviceable #3 and #4 CB's. Sapp is developmental. I think Battle is a lost cause. I think we leave the middle of the D-line alone. It's not great yet, but it's probably the best part of our D. We've got to stick with Simms and Siavii. I wouldn't care if Browning gets cut. Daulton has played well.

Yet another question: What positions should be obtained from the draft and what positions should be obtained through free agency? Yes, I think it makes a difference. If you are rebuilding or if you are one or two players away from a Super Bowl, the strategy changes, IMHO. I think a CB and MLB need to come from free agency. I think it is rare that a rookie CB or MLB can be effective or make an impact. Therefore, since we've got one more year left to get a Super Bowl ring, we need to go with veteran, free agent CB and MLB that can step right in. On the other hand, I think a rookie DE and WR from the draft can step in and make a difference quickly. Tha'ts my strategy: get a CB and MLB from free agency and a DE and WR as high draft picks. I would say we should draft the WR in the 1st round and the DE as our second round pick. The rest (OLB, QB, FB, OT, S, C, G) is just gravy and it doesn't matter as much if they come from free agency or the draft.

Here's our needs, IMHO, in order of importance: CB, WR, MLB, DE, OLB, QB, FB, OT, S, C, G. What do you think? Do you agree?
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:36 AM   #2
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See what's available in FA first, same as always, address the needs in the draft.

As for playmakers, we need to find 4 of them on defense, we have none to speak of. CB,MLB,DE,SS , find me 4 playmakers at those positions, we will be better.

How we get them is not of importance, just getting them is.
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:39 AM   #3
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the top draft picks from last year didn't get signed until after the season started. That's why Brees is even playing
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:39 AM   #4
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"Playmaker" is the key word. We need some guys who can make things happen. My hunch is that this probably doesn't happen by trading down to accumulate picks. I suspect that trading down would net us four okay players, none of which could really be called "playmakers." I'd rather have one "playmaker," myself.

Hopefully we can address a few needs in FA so that we can go into the draft looking for one stud player who can contribute right away and make some big plays.

But, that's being pretty optimistic, give...well, Carl.
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:43 AM   #5
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As long as King Carl is in charge why does it matter? He will blow the draft pick anyway.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:10 AM   #6
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See what's available in FA first, same as always, address the needs in the draft.

As for playmakers, we need to find 4 of them on defense, we have none to speak of. CB,MLB,DE,SS , find me 4 playmakers at those positions, we will be better.

How we get them is not of importance, just getting them is.
I agree with your 4 players. But I think we could get by withour a S. Maybe Pile or Harts could fill in for Woods. What about WR? Where does a WR factor in?
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:15 AM   #7
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It's pretty obvious that we need talent on the defense, and trading down isn't going to do it. A top-five or top-eight pick will probably get us a stud player, and like it or not, Carl's record on first-round picks is at least average. I'd love to see us nail that pick with a top-notch OLB, MLB, or CB.

Now, the second-round pick is another story. Our record on second-round picks is abysmal. We should just randomly pick a guy off of some fantasy football mock draft rather than let Carl draft another "project." Projects are for the sixth round, and I'm sure tired of drafting them in the second.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:18 AM   #8
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I agree with your 4 players. But I think we could get by withour a S. Maybe Pile or Harts could fill in for Woods. What about WR? Where does a WR factor in?

Now I'm going to use a (future ) DV qoute here.... We will have Boe, Parker, Smith and Booth to compete with our returning starters next year, so I don't see a problem right now.


Our biggest concern is the defense ! Sure the offense sucked to start the year, who's to say they would have if everybody would have been healthy ?

I say we go defense , all defense tis year due to the age and our declining window of oppertunity.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:32 AM   #9
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Now I'm going to use a (future ) DV qoute here.... We will have Boe, Parker, Smith and Booth to compete with our returning starters next year, so I don't see a problem right now.


Our biggest concern is the defense ! Sure the offense sucked to start the year, who's to say they would have if everybody would have been healthy ?

I say we go defense , all defense tis year due to the age and our declining window of oppertunity.
I forgot about Boerigter. That's a good point. But, we still need a future stud WR. Kennison and Morton are old. Also, I have hope, but little faith in Horn, Parker, Smith, McIntyre and/or Booth. This is what I'd like to see:

#1 WR - draft
Boerigter
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Morton
Hall - situational

Cut McIntyre, Booth & Smith. Keep Horn's number handy. Develop Parker.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:35 AM   #10
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We could really use a WR, but defense is far more important right now. We can win the Superbowl with THESE wideouts. We can not win the Superbowl with these defensive players. If we can sign a good young WR in free agency, then let's do it. But we can't break the bank on that, because it's a secondary need at this time. Defense is much more important.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:37 AM   #11
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I forgot about Boerigter. That's a good point. But, we still need a future stud WR. Kennison and Morton are old. Also, I have hope, but little faith in Horn, Parker, Smith, McIntyre and/or Booth. This is what I'd like to see:

#1 WR - draft
Boerigter
Kennison
Morton
Hall - situational

Cut McIntyre, Booth & Smith. Keep Horn's number handy. Develop Parker.



The above list of WR's is exactly why we can't make a comeback in the 4th qtr. WTF would you want to see them all return? Unreal...........
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:38 AM   #12
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The above list of WR's is exactly why we can't make a comeback in the 4th qtr. WTF would you want to see them all return? Unreal...........
Yes, but if we had a defense that could stop someone, our offense's 30+ points wouldn't require a comback in the 4th quarter -- we'd already be in the lead.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:43 AM   #13
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Yes, but if we had a defense that could stop someone, our offense's 30+ points wouldn't require a comback in the 4th quarter -- we'd already be in the lead.
Yes, but we are dummying our offense because we have shit receivers that can't run routes and hold onto the fn ball. Bringing back those guys, along with Boe and a drat pick doesn't solve the offensive problems. Taking Hall, Morton and Kennison out of the 3 deep, and getting two legit WR's and draft pick would make more sense to me. Hall, should not be playing WR at all. He's been figured out (jam him hard at the line and he's done).
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:50 AM   #14
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Based on our draft success, we should trade away all of our first, second and third round picks for additional 4th, 5th & 6th rounders.

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Old 11-29-2004, 10:59 AM   #15
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Yes, but we are dummying our offense because we have shit receivers that can't run routes and hold onto the fn ball. Bringing back those guys, along with Boe and a drat pick doesn't solve the offensive problems. Taking Hall, Morton and Kennison out of the 3 deep, and getting two legit WR's and draft pick would make more sense to me. Hall, should not be playing WR at all. He's been figured out (jam him hard at the line and he's done).
I completly agree with you that better wideouts would make our offense much better. I'm saying, though, that I think improving our defense is more important then improving our offense (whic is already pretty darn good).
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