A comparison of Priest "TD" Holmes vs. Larry "diapers" Johnson......

Kris Kringle · 01-04-2005, 01:46 PM

Priest Holmes
8 games started --
Rushing - 196 attempts, 892 yds, 4.6 avg, 14 TD
Receiving - 19 rec, 187 yds, 9.8 avg, 1 TD

Larry Johnson
3 games started --
Rushing - 120 attepts, 581 yds, 4.8 avg, 9 TD
Receiving - 22 rec, 278 yds, 12.6 avg, 2 TD

Priest played 7 1/2 games. Larry Johnson started 3 games and appeared in 7 others. It's hard to compare the two RBs by games played, therefore the comparison needs to be done by rushing attempts and receptions or one could just compare them by "touches".

Here we go. --------->

Rushing --
Let's give LJ 196 rushes like Priest had. He would have 949 yds and 14.7 TD. Wow! If we assume that is the equivelent of 8 games, then LJ would have had, over a 16 game schedule, 29 rushing TDs and 1898 yds rushing!!! Of course, one could argue that LJ wouldn't be able to keep up a 4.8 yd average over the course of a 16 game season. One could argue that it's easier to put up big numbers in 3 or 4 games, then over a prolonged 16 game season. That's a valid argument. But one must admit that those are gaudy numbers!!

Recieving--
It's harder to compare the two RBs when it comes to receptions. Priest had 19 in 8 games, while LJ had 22 in 3+ games. I'm going to compare their receptions in ratio to their rushes. (If some mathmetician can do a better comparison, please be my guest. I was terrible at math in H.S.) For every reception, Priest had 10.3 rushes. For every reception, LJ had 5.45 rushes. Using these ratios, Priest would have had 38 receptions and 392 rushes in 16 games. Now we'll compare LJ to Priest. If LJ had 396 rushes, like Priest, he would have had 71 receptions in 16 games. (Is my math correct?) And, if LJ had 71 receptions and maintained the same production level, he would have had 895 yds and 6 TDs!!!! I know that's some contorted and twisted math, but that's the best way I can figure it with my 8th grade education. (just kidding)

Touches--
Let's look at the two by "touches". This will be alot easier. Priest touched the ball 215 times for 1079 yards, 15 TDs and a 5.0 yd average. If LJ got 392 rushes like Priest and 71 receptions as we previously projected, he would have 463 touches for 2793 yds, 35 TDs and a 6.0 average!!! That's just nuts.

-- OK. I acknowledge that my math is probably flawed. Maybe there is a better way to compare the two. Also, I understand that these are just projections and no one can see the future. But, I am surprised at the numbers that LJ put up in just a few games. I didn't like the LJ draft pick. I didn't like LJ's attitude last year. I didn't like his production or the way he looked on the field last year. I still don't like his "smart mouth" when speaking to the media. But it's undeniable that LJ has put up some big numbers in a short period of time.

These numbers make LJ look like a Jamal Lewis type of runner that has good hands and can actually catch passes out of the backfield (Jamal Lewis doesn't). It's rare that you find a runner that is that good and can also catch passes.

Discuss.........

Mile High Mania · 01-04-2005, 01:56 PM

It's dangerous to trick up numbers. Just stick with what you know.... LJ has the potential to be every bit the badass that Holmes has been in KC.

KC should trade Holmes.

Yosef_Malkovitch · 01-04-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

It's dangerous to trick up numbers. Just stick with what you know.... LJ has the potential to be every bit the badass that Holmes has been in KC.

KC should trade Holmes.

I agree. Holmes rocks, but he's only got 1-2 years left in him. Plus he seems to get hurt an awful lot lately. Keeping him to split carries with LJ would be a great idea, but he's getting paid too much to split carries with anyone.

Kris Kringle · 01-04-2005, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

It's dangerous to trick up numbers. Just stick with what you know.... LJ has the potential to be every bit the badass that Holmes has been in KC.

KC should trade Holmes.

We could trade one of our RBs for a CB like Denver did because we have a viable alternative at the running back position. Denver traded for an overrated CB with no viable RBs in their stable. However, I don't think they'll trade Holmes because he doesn't have much trade value. I don't think we'll trade LJ because he's out future at RB.

Pants · 01-04-2005, 02:04 PM

KC should keep both Priest and LJ for as long as they play.

Kris Kringle · 01-04-2005, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike

KC should keep both Priest and LJ for as long as they play.

True. In '05 LJ can take the pressure off of Priest. Maybe he'll last 16 games. I'd like to see LJ and Priest in the backfield together once in a while.

JimNasium · 01-04-2005, 02:15 PM

LJ for Canton!

blsilks · 01-04-2005, 02:18 PM

I would go with the 2 RB, 2FB, 4WR, 2TE formation. oh wait crap you cant do that

beer bacon · 01-04-2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blsilks

I would go with the 2 RB, 2FB, 4WR, 2TE formation. oh wait crap you cant do that

1st and goal formation: 2 RB, 1 FB, 2 TE formation. We can do it!

Kris Kringle · 01-04-2005, 02:39 PM

Would anyone like to redo my math? Maybe there is a better / easier way to compare Priest vs. LJ.

**HemiEd** · 01-04-2005, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer baron

1st and goal formation: 2 RB, 1 FB, 2 TE formation. We can do it!

Would that be the "Wing T" of Marv Levy? Yek!

htismaqe · 01-04-2005, 02:43 PM

I find it interesting that Johnson's numbers look almost IDENTICAL to Priest's from the last couple of years when you extrapolate them out over a 16-game season.

Maybe it IS the line.

**HemiEd** · 01-04-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris Kringle

Would anyone like to redo my math? Maybe there is a better / easier way to compare Priest vs. LJ.

Personally this franchise spent so many years looking for a decent running back that I do not see any reason to compare them. I think we should hold on to them as long as we can and tell anyone that wants one of them to go ---- them self!

Radar Chief · 01-04-2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemied

Would that be the "Wing T" of Marv Levy? Yek!

Yup, or Wish Bone or I Bone or any other variation of the Triple Option Offense that doesn’t work in the NCAA any more.

Kris Kringle · 01-04-2005, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemied

Personally this franchise spent so many years looking for a decent running back that I do not see any reason to compare them. I think we should hold on to them as long as we can and tell anyone that wants one of them to go ---- them self!

But Mile High Mania says we should trade Priest Holmes. They did.

01-04-2005, 01:46 PM
Kris Kringle Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $250	A comparison of Priest "TD" Holmes vs. Larry "diapers" Johnson...... Priest Holmes 8 games started -- Rushing - 196 attempts, 892 yds, 4.6 avg, 14 TD Receiving - 19 rec, 187 yds, 9.8 avg, 1 TD Larry Johnson 3 games started -- Rushing - 120 attepts, 581 yds, 4.8 avg, 9 TD Receiving - 22 rec, 278 yds, 12.6 avg, 2 TD Priest played 7 1/2 games. Larry Johnson started 3 games and appeared in 7 others. It's hard to compare the two RBs by games played, therefore the comparison needs to be done by rushing attempts and receptions or one could just compare them by "touches". Here we go. ---------> Rushing -- Let's give LJ 196 rushes like Priest had. He would have 949 yds and 14.7 TD. Wow! If we assume that is the equivelent of 8 games, then LJ would have had, over a 16 game schedule, 29 rushing TDs and 1898 yds rushing!!! Of course, one could argue that LJ wouldn't be able to keep up a 4.8 yd average over the course of a 16 game season. One could argue that it's easier to put up big numbers in 3 or 4 games, then over a prolonged 16 game season. That's a valid argument. But one must admit that those are gaudy numbers!! Recieving-- It's harder to compare the two RBs when it comes to receptions. Priest had 19 in 8 games, while LJ had 22 in 3+ games. I'm going to compare their receptions in ratio to their rushes. (If some mathmetician can do a better comparison, please be my guest. I was terrible at math in H.S.) For every reception, Priest had 10.3 rushes. For every reception, LJ had 5.45 rushes. Using these ratios, Priest would have had 38 receptions and 392 rushes in 16 games. Now we'll compare LJ to Priest. If LJ had 396 rushes, like Priest, he would have had 71 receptions in 16 games. (Is my math correct?) And, if LJ had 71 receptions and maintained the same production level, he would have had 895 yds and 6 TDs!!!! I know that's some contorted and twisted math, but that's the best way I can figure it with my 8th grade education. (just kidding) Touches-- Let's look at the two by "touches". This will be alot easier. Priest touched the ball 215 times for 1079 yards, 15 TDs and a 5.0 yd average. If LJ got 392 rushes like Priest and 71 receptions as we previously projected, he would have 463 touches for 2793 yds, 35 TDs and a 6.0 average!!! That's just nuts. -- OK. I acknowledge that my math is probably flawed. Maybe there is a better way to compare the two. Also, I understand that these are just projections and no one can see the future. But, I am surprised at the numbers that LJ put up in just a few games. I didn't like the LJ draft pick. I didn't like LJ's attitude last year. I didn't like his production or the way he looked on the field last year. I still don't like his "smart mouth" when speaking to the media. But it's undeniable that LJ has put up some big numbers in a short period of time. These numbers make LJ look like a Jamal Lewis type of runner that has good hands and can actually catch passes out of the backfield (Jamal Lewis doesn't). It's rare that you find a runner that is that good and can also catch passes. Discuss.........
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01-04-2005, 01:56 PM	#2
Mile High Mania Barrel Man - RIP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $67718	It's dangerous to trick up numbers. Just stick with what you know.... LJ has the potential to be every bit the badass that Holmes has been in KC. KC should trade Holmes. __________________
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01-04-2005, 02:04 PM	#5
Pants Time Keeps On Slipping Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $1357523	KC should keep both Priest and LJ for as long as they play. __________________ ZootedGranny: "That's the reason my FFL team name is TrentGreenLeadBlock. When you see this mother****er coming around the corner on a block, put your children to bed and batten down the hatch on your girl's snatch, because the same power that destroys defenders can scar the minds of the youth and simultaneously impregnate any woman within sight, live or on television."
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01-04-2005, 02:15 PM	#7
JimNasium Voodoo Chile Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: At the crossroad Casino cash: $1123835	LJ for Canton! __________________ I've been drinking muddy water and sleeping in a hollow log.
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01-04-2005, 02:18 PM	#8
blsilks Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: na Casino cash: $1625	I would go with the 2 RB, 2FB, 4WR, 2TE formation. oh wait crap you cant do that __________________ Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
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01-04-2005, 02:39 PM	#10
Kris Kringle Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $250	Would anyone like to redo my math? Maybe there is a better / easier way to compare Priest vs. LJ. __________________ Yes, I really know if you've been naughty or nice!
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01-04-2005, 02:43 PM	#12
htismaqe In the misty morning... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: on the edge of time... Casino cash: $1044370	I find it interesting that Johnson's numbers look almost IDENTICAL to Priest's from the last couple of years when you extrapolate them out over a 16-game season. Maybe it IS the line. __________________ Don't live for pleasure, make life your treasure... \m/ Ronnie James Dio, 1942-2010 \m/
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