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Old 01-06-2005, 06:54 PM  
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Results are in Gunther's _efense worse than Greg Robinson's _efense

Guns defense has actually been worse then GRobs

Gun 435 points allowed
Grob 332 points allowed
Grob's 1st year 344 points allowed

Gun 377.3 yards per game allowed
Grob 356.7 yards per game allowed
Grob's 1st year 346.4 yards per game allowed

Gun Turnover forced 20
Grob Turnovers forced 37
Grob's 1st year Turnovers forced 26

In every meaningful category Grob's defense was better than Gunthers.

Edit someone wanted first years compared so I added that as you can see Grob's _efense was still clearly better than Guns even comparing first years.

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Old 01-06-2005, 06:55 PM   #2
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Old 01-06-2005, 06:58 PM   #3
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Gun's 1st year with players in a new scheme, I don't put much into this, let's give Gun 3 years and see what Gun's 3rd year stats are compaired to GROB.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:01 PM   #4
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Gun's 1st year with players in a new scheme, I don't put much into this, let's give Gun 3 years and see what Gun's 3rd year stats are compaired to GROB.
Exactly. In all honesty, GRobs' scheme is probably better suited to our crappy players. He played alot of zone coverage and they played so far off their man to help keep everything in front of them instead of Man to man to help protect our crappy corners. We did have a much better pass rush out of Gunther than Grob could ever dream of. No surprise there.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:02 PM   #5
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The turnovers is the big thing. I think it's pretty amazing that despite that massive gap in turnovers we're still only 20 yards/game worse than last year... maybe that should be about right, I don't know, seems like that gap should be bigger.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:02 PM   #6
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Gun's 1st year with players in a new scheme, I don't put much into this, let's give Gun 3 years and see what Gun's 3rd year stats are compaired to GROB.
NO, No, Nooo, there were a lot, and I do mean a lot of people on this BB who were saying Gun could fix the problems. Then when Carl did nothing in the offseason they were saying Gun could still fix the problems with the players we have.

Well folks the facts are in and those were both lies. Gun actually made our _efense worse not better.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:04 PM   #7
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Guns defense has actually been worse then GRobs

Gun 435 points allowed
Grob 332 points allowed

Gun 377.3 yards per game allowed
Grob 356.7 yards per game allowed

Gun Turnover forced 20
Grob Turnovers forced 37

In every meaningful category Grob's defense was better than Gunthers.
You did not do your research properly. Kc allowed 500 less rushing yards than GRob
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Exactly. In all honesty, GRobs' scheme is probably better suited to our crappy players. He played alot of zone coverage and they played so far off their man to help keep everything in front of them instead of Man to man to help protect our crappy corners. We did have a much better pass rush out of Gunther than Grob could ever dream of. No surprise there.
Is no one paying attention to the fact that Grob's defense allowed over 100 points less, 103 to be exact. Face it Gun failed.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:05 PM   #9
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:06 PM   #10
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You did not do your research properly. Kc allowed 500 less rushing yards than GRob
Who cares when he allowed 860 more passing yards.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:06 PM   #11
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Is no one paying attention to the fact that Grob's defense allowed over 100 points less, 103 to be exact. Face it Gun failed.
Thats because of turnovers. Ill admit, GRob scheme created more turnovers, at least for now.
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:07 PM   #12
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NO, No, Nooo, there were a lot, and I do mean a lot of people on this BB who were saying Gun could fix the problems. Then when Carl did nothing in the offseason they were saying Gun could still fix the problems with the players we have.

Well folks the facts are in and those were both lies. Gun actually made our _efense worse not better.

Yeah and I think I was one of them!

Sucks to be wrong
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Old 01-06-2005, 07:08 PM   #14
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Doesn't mean a damn thing.
Sure it does it means we were a worse team with Gun than we were with GRob 7-9 is a byproduct.
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In every meaningful category Grob's defense was better than Gunthers.
Pretty much, except for "punts forced against the Indianapolis Colts", which is probably the most important statistic of the last two seasons.
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