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Old 01-11-2005, 04:50 PM  
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Interesting comment on Antrel Rolle from a Miami fan

I was over at the Madden Planet BB browsing around and was reading a thread on a mock draft from Fantasy Football Toolbox.

They have Rolle going FIRST OVERALL.

Several people chimed in saying they didn't think Rolle would even be the 1st CB taken, let alone the 1st player...

That elicited the following comment from one of the more-respected Miami fans on the board:

That was my first thought when I looked at the mock. While I think he has a shot at being the 1st CB if he has a great pro day, it's not likely. He's not the 1st player taken either way though. I don't even know that corner will be the best spot for him, he might make a better safety.
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:55 PM   #2
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OK, NFL Draft Countdown has him going 10th to the Cowboys with the following write-up:

After letting Mario Edwards leave as a free agent the team was relying on the essentially unproven and untested Pete Hunter to start opposite Terence Newman, but Hunter was lost for the season with an injury and that combined with Newman's drop-off in play has left Dallas in dire straights in pass defense, seemingly unable to cover anyone. While not an elite, shutdown corner prospect in the same mold as guys like Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson or Champ Bailey, Rolle is right there in the next group and could have a career similar to that of a guy like Chris McAlister. Adding another playmaker like Rolle would give Dallas one of the premier young secondaries in the league and if they choose they could even stick Rolle at free safety next to Roy Williams, which would be an impressive duo indeed. Finding this guy on the board when it is their turn to pick would have to be a dream scenario for the Cowboys. The other direction the team could go is the defensive line since they have major needs at both end as well as tackle so you certainly can't rule out names like Erasmus James, Travis Johnson of Florida St. and Rodrique Wright of Texas since they have little or nothing next to La'Roi Glover and Marcellus Wiley has been a major disappointment after being brought in as a free agent. One final option would be for Dallas to surprise and nab a premier wide receiver like Braylon Edwards since Keyshawn Johnson isn't much of a big play threat and Terry Glenn is getting up there in years. In the end though the decision to take Rolle if he is available would have to qualify as a no-brainer.
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:56 PM   #3
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I don't even know that corner will be the best spot for him, he might make a better safety.
You've got to be shitting me.

Hell, I'm sure we'll trade up to get him now.
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:57 PM   #4
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I think Rolle will be the first CB taken. Doubt the first player. He won't be around by the Chiefs pick anyway. Jackson, Rodgers or Miller will be our pick. Hope its not that Jones kid.
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:58 PM   #5
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He's a college CB that could play FS in the NFL...

The Chiefs go for the opposite...
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:00 PM   #6
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Alot of the guys over there seem to think Rolle won't be the 1st CB taken...

They also pretty much agree that Derrick Johnson goes to the Titans at #6.
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:04 PM   #7
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So who will be the first pick overall?
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:06 PM   #8
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The different draft boards i've seen have Rolle being taken in the early first rounds.
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:07 PM   #9
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So who will be the first pick overall?
Thought the Niners wanted Rogers?
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:20 PM   #10
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I think Rolle's draft position will depend on his 40 time at his pro day. If he runs a 4.34, he could go to Cleveland at #3. If he runs under 4.45, I think he'll be the top CB and go top 10. But if he runs a 4.5, I think one of the other guys like Marlin Jackson will sneak by him.
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:21 PM   #11
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Thought the Niners wanted Rogers?
Leinart.
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:25 PM   #12
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I don't know why, but for some reason I don't see Leinart succeeding in the NFL. Just a feeling though.
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:08 PM   #13
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Rolle won't be the first player taken because the Niners have a lot more pressing needs than Cornerback. There isn't a unanimous clear-cut #1 corner in this draft, but if you asked MOST people who pay attention to college and the draft, I think most people would say Rolle's the top guy. It's very much debatable though.
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:12 PM   #14
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1 (1) 49ers Aaron Rodgers* QB Cal.
Rodgers has announced he will be coming out for the '05 draft. The 49ers may not keep this first pick but if they do, Rodgers is the right choice to start their rebuilding process. He has shown remarkable improvement the past two years and is ready for the NFL.
2 (2) Dolphins Cedric Benson RB Texas
The Dolphins may not be able to resist Matt Leinart if he comes out -- a big, lefty gunslinger -- but Benson is a better choice for them. He is a fast and physical workhorse-type runner.
3 (3) Browns Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
Johnson is a Ray Lewis-type defender. Cleveland can build a big-time unit around him.
4 (4) Bears Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
The Bears need a go-to receiver. Edwards is a big-time playmaker with tremendous skills, size and speed.
5 (5) Buccaneers Alex Barron T Florida St.
Barron has the strength and athleticism to dominate the line of scrimmage.
6 (6) Titans David Pollack DE Georgia
Pollack is a big, physical and experienced end. His size, speed, and relentless pursuit should make him a dominant NFL player.
7 (7) Raiders Carnell Williams RB Auburn
Williams has the speed, size and lower-body strength to fight for yardage. He will be a welcome addition to a team that finished last in rushing in 2004.
8 (8) Cardinals Matt Leinart* QB USC
The Heisman Trophy winner and Orange Bowl MVP hasn't decided whether he will be an early draft entry. If he is, Leinart could be just the right fit for a young offense that already has very dangerous receivers.
9 (9) Redskins Erasmus James DE Wis.
Washington needs to improve its defensive line. James, powerful and athletic, never gives up plays and excels at both pass-rushing and tackling.
10 (10) Lions Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee
Burnett has great speed and athleticism. His nonstop hustle, tackling skills and knack for big plays make him a very dangerous player.
11 (11) Cowboys Antrel Rolle CB Miami (FL)
Rolle is the shutdown corner Dallas needs. He has the size, speed, and skills to be a game-altering presence.
12 (12) Chargers Marlin Jackson CB Michigan
(from NY Giants) Jackson, a tough, physical shutdown corner, can have an immediate impact on the San Diego's young secondary.
13 (13) Texans Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
The Texans are one season away from being winners. Cody, a tough, physical, speedy, big-play end is a leader who knows what it takes to win.
14 (14) Panthers Elton Brown G Va.
Brown, a dominant force up front, can blast holes for Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster.
15 (15) Chiefs Corey Webster CB LSU
Webster, a fast, hard-hitting corner, will bring big playmaking skills and a tough attitude to Kansas City's secondary.
16 (16) Saints Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
Johnson, a quick and strong hard-hitter, can stop the run and excels at getting penetration.
17 (17) Bengals Jamaal Brimmer S UNLV
Brimmer is a tough, hard-hitting, big-play safety whose physical style and aggressive play will make an immediate impact in the Cincinnati's secondary.
18 (18) Vikings Barrett Ruud ILB Nebraska
The Vikings need to upgrade their defense to compete with the top teams. Ruud has the size, speed and hard-hitting tackling ability they sorely need.
19 (19) Rams Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma
Perkins is just what the St. Louis needs -- an experienced shutdown corner with outstanding speed and skills. He also is a standout special teams performer.
20 (20) Cowboys Jammal Brown T Oklahoma
(from Buffalo) Brown, an athletic giant with outstanding blocking skills, will be just the right addition for a young Dallas offense.
21 (21) Jaguars Mike Williams* WR USC
Williams would be a steal here with his size and outstanding playmaking flair. With his incredible hands, he and Byron Leftwich could be a dynamic duo.
22 (22) Ravens Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
Clayton, an all-around receiver, does everything very well -- run, jump, catch, and block. He would be a perfect target for Kyle Boller and the right complement for Jamal Lewis.
23 (23) Seahawks Mathias Kiwanuka* DE Boston Coll.
Kiwanuka is a solid underclassman entry. A huge force with speed and great potential, he would bring a game-altering presence to Seattle's defense.
24 (24) Packers Alex Smith* QB Utah
Smith has declared he will enter the draft after an outstanding junior season for the Utes. He has size, speed and a great arm. The chance to learn under Brett Favre will make his decision look even smarter.
25 (25) Broncos Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
Brown, a two-dimensional back, can both run the ball with power and speed and is a big receiving threat. He is the type of player Mike Shanahan would love to have in his backfield.
26 (26) Jets Donte Nicholson S Oklahoma
The Jets need a defensive upgrade. Nicholson, a punishing hitter, excels both in run support and coverage.
27 (27) Falcons Vince Carter C Oklahoma
Carter, a big, powerful center, can give Michael Vick protection and room to roam.
28 (28) Chargers Adam Terry T Syracuse
San Diego's offensive line could use some more youth. Terry has the wingspan to ride off rushers and the blocking skills to open holes for LaDainian Tomlinson.
29 (29) Colts Shaun Cody DT USC
Cody creates matchup problems with his quickness and size. Indianapolis needs big-time defensive playmakers, and he fits that mold.
30 (30) Eagles Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wis.
Hawthorne has the strength and size to be a solid NFL run stopper and is an unblockable force when rushing the passer.
31 (31) Patriots Antwaun Rogers CB Purdue
New England has been hurting in the secondary all season. Rogers is a big, playmaking corner with good experience.
32 (32) Steelers D'Brickashaw Ferguson* T Va.
Ferguson, a junior, seems to be leaning toward staying in school. But if he enters the draft, he could have an immediate impact on Pittsburgh's tough young defense. An exceptional athlete with an enormous wingspan, he also can add more bulk.
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:16 PM   #15
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Strengths: Has the long arms and upper-body strength to jam receivers well at the line. Is especially difficult to beat on downfield routes because of his height, long arms and leaping ability. Is tough, and relishes contact. Shows good tackling fundamentals.

Weaknesses: Lacks experience at the position. Must improve technique and route-recognition skills. Lacks ideal speed to recover from mistakes.

Bottom line: After spending his first two years at LSU playing wide receiver, 2004 is Webster's third at cornerback. If his technique and route-recognition skills improve, he probably will be selected in the second round by a team that likes to play bump-and-run coverage.

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Has everything you want in a corner: size, ball skills, cover ability, instincts. Played with a bad ankle this season, and his performance dropped from 2003. Could be better in run support.

Of course, they have him at a 4.59 40 time, so it's good to know he's also a little slow.
It's also good to know the folks at Sporting News know that we like to reach in the first round and have projected accordingly.
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