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Old 01-13-2005, 10:22 AM  
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Is Sims really a bust or just getting his azz kicked by double teams?

We have no one on the edge right now that demands attention so Sims does get doubled alot. Junior, in the few games he did play, took pressure off him and he performed better. Maybe we are treating him a little harsh.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:27 AM   #2
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Hes not a bust, but at theis point a dissappointment. When he was coming out of college he was billed as a pass rusher, ala (Warren Sapp). Its apparant now that hes nothing like that at all. Right now hes basically a big body who can clog up the middle. He may be lazy and doesnt love the game but fortunately for him, he will always have a job because some NFL team is always looking for a wide body in the middle. If we had better edge rushers nobody would care much.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:28 AM   #3
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For example, in the NYG preseason game when Whitlock went off, Sims WAS getting double-teamed quite often.

However, there were MANY MANY times when he wasn't double-teamed and managed to get pushed right out of the play.

I honestly think his problem is that he has no motivation. He's not a bust, he's a bum.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:42 AM   #4
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I honestly think his problem is that he has no motivation. He's not a bust, he's a bum.


I'm trying to figure out how I can put your words into perspective?
Thinking of an example, that would be like me telling my co-worker, "oh you know your an ok worker, but, your just lazy. you simply don't have a feel for this job." Does people like him improve my working environment? No. Do I think he's a piece of sh*t? yes. Simply cause I don't want lazy people working for me, who simply don't have a passion for the job. Servicable sucks! Let's get some real people in here
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:44 AM   #5
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Bust!

Just because of what was expected when we drafted him and how high he was drafted. He is still serviceable, but far from what we had hoped for.

I believe he really benefitted from playing on the same line in college as Julius Peppers.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:46 AM   #6
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Bust.

You can draft a 4th rounder to do what he does and get the same production.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:46 AM   #7
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I'm trying to figure out how I can put your words into perspective?
Thinking of an example, that would be like me telling my co-worker, "oh you know your an ok worker, but, your just lazy. you simply don't have a feel for this job." Does people like him improve my working environment? No. Do I think he's a piece of sh*t? yes. Simply cause I don't want lazy people working for me, who simply don't have a passion for the job. Servicable sucks! Let's get some real people in here
Well, look at is this way.

Value = talent + desire

When desire is negative, overall value goes down, even if value is high. The reason Ryan Sims is "servicable" is not because he lacks physical talent, it's because he has motivation problems. If those motivation problems go away, he could be dominant.

For instance, I'm not exactly the most motivated person here at work. Hell, I spend most of my workday posting on the Planet. But I know shit that nobody else here does. And onn the days that I do get motivated, I can sell shit like nobody else here can.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:48 AM   #8
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Bust!

Just because of what was expected when we drafted him and how high he was drafted. He is still serviceable, but far from what we had hoped for.

I believe he really benefitted from playing on the same line in college as Julius Peppers.
Julius Peppers said the opposite...
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:48 AM   #9
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In my mind he'll be a bust until he learns the concept of getting off a block and making a tackle.

Watching him play is maddening-it's like he thinks his only purpose out there is to push the interior line back and then you're done.

Learning this and acting on it would improve his game significantly.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:52 AM   #10
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Julius Peppers said the opposite...
Then you look at their NFL careers and you can see that Peppers was trying to be polite...
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:53 AM   #11
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Bust.

You can draft a 4th rounder to do what he does and get the same production.
YOu mean like Browning?...
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:54 AM   #12
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That draft, the 2002 draft was a huge failure for this organization. Sims and Freeman were the first 2 picks for us and both are failures or dissappointments. Those picks if successful should have both been huge contributors to our defense these past 2 years. One of the big reasons our D has sucked these past few years was that draft.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:55 AM   #13
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Then you look at their NFL careers and you can see that Peppers was trying to be polite...
No, you look at their NFL careers and you can see that Peppers decided he needed to work for a living.

Both of them benefitted from each other in college. Watch some games if you get a chance, Sims was a FORCE. Then he signed with Englehard, got caught up in the Atlanta rap scene, and lost his desire to play football. He got his fat check and that was all she wrote.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:56 AM   #14
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from what i've seen he's doubled less than 50%(much less) of the time, so i don't see how that's a big issue. I saw Browning and dalton get doubled a higher % of plays than Sims imo.



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Old 01-13-2005, 10:59 AM   #15
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Why would teams have to double him so much? So far hes shown close to zero pass rushing skillz??
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