Anyone catch Nancy Soderberg on The Daily Show last night?

Baby Lee · 03-02-2005, 09:52 AM

Gotta say, whatta gunt.

To Jon's credit, he's appeared fairly forthright in not liking the admin, but acknowledging the efficacy of their efforts at democratization in the ME.
Then this chick comes on, . . . and he tries his level best to get her to show an ounce of optimism. But her stance was, explicitly and nearly verbatim, "but I think, as a Democrat, that we still can HOPE that this [democracy and freedom] stuff can still go south."*
Jon had the look of "is there no one who isn't a loon?" by the end of the interview.

* - Don't recall the exact wording, but she roughly repeated the lines "looks bad for us democrats" "we can still hope" and "this stuff can still go south" in a number of iterations over the course the interview. While Jon repeatedly rejoindered "but. . . you gotta give them some credit, right?"

marsaray · 03-02-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Gotta say, whatta gunt.

To Jon's credit, he's appeared fairly forthright in not liking the admin, but acknowledging the efficacy of their efforts at democratization in the ME.
Then this chick comes on, . . . and he tries his level best to get her to show an ounce of optimism. But her stance was, explicitly and nearly verbatim, "but I think, as a Democrat, that we still can HOPE that this [democracy and freedom] stuff can still go south."
Jon had the look of "is there no one who isn't a loon?" by the end of the interview.

Stupid liberals.

Brock · 03-02-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by marsaray

Stupid liberals.

Wet water.

siberian khatru · 03-02-2005, 11:49 AM

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006362

Stewart: This book--it talks about the superpower myth of the United States. There is this idea, the United States is the sole superpower, and I guess the premise of the book is we cannot misuse that power--have to use it wisely, and not just punitively. Is that--

Soderberg: That's right. What I argue is that the Bush administration fell hostage to the superpower myth, believing that because we're the most powerful nation on earth, we were all-powerful, could bend the world to our will and not have to worry about the rest of the world. I think what they're finding in the second term is, it's a little bit harder than that, and reality has an annoying way of intruding.

Stewart: But what do you make of--here's my dilemma, if you will. I don't care for the way these guys conduct themselves--and this is just you and I talking, no cameras here [audience laughter]. But boy, when you see the Lebanese take to the streets and all that, and you go, "Oh my God, this is working," and I begin to wonder, is it--is the way that they handled it really--it's sort of like, "Uh, OK, my daddy hits me, but look how tough I'm getting." You know what I mean? Like, you don't like the method, but maybe--wrong analogy, is that, uh--?

Soderberg: Well, I think, you know, as a Democrat, you don't want anything nice to happen to the Republicans, and you don't want them to have progress. But as an American, you hope good things would happen. I think the way to look at it is, they can't credit for every good thing that happens, but they need to be able to manage it. I think what's happening in Lebanon is great, but it's not necessarily directly related to the fact that we went into Iraq militarily.

Stewart: Do you think that the people of Lebanon would have had, sort of, the courage of their conviction, having not seen--not only the invasion but the election which followed? It's almost as though that the Iraqi election has emboldened this crazy--something's going on over there. I'm smelling something.

Soderberg: I think partly what's going on is the country next door, Syria, has been controlling them for decades, and they [the Syrians] were dumb enough to blow up the former prime minister of Lebanon in Beirut, and they're--people are sort of sick of that, and saying, "Wait a minute, that's a stretch too far." So part of what's going on is they're just protesting that. But I think there is a wave of change going on, and if we can help ride it though the second term of the Bush administration, more power to them.

Stewart: Do you think they're the guys to--do they understand what they've unleashed? Because at a certain point, I almost feel like, if they had just come out at the very beginning and said, "Here's my plan: I'm going to invade Iraq. We'll get rid of a bad guy because that will drain the swamp"--if they hadn't done the whole "nuclear cloud," you know, if they hadn't scared the pants off of everybody, and just said straight up, honestly, what was going on, I think I'd almost--I'd have no cognitive dissonance, no mixed feelings.

Soderberg: The truth always helps in these things, I have to say. But I think that there is also going on in the Middle East peace process--they may well have a chance to do a historic deal with the Palestinians and the Israelis. These guys could really pull off a whole--

Stewart: This could be unbelievable!

Soderberg:---series of Nobel Peace Prizes here, which--it may well work. I think that, um, it's--

Stewart: [buries head in hands] Oh my God! [audience laughter] He's got, you know, here's--

Soderberg: It's scary for Democrats, I have to say.

Stewart: He's gonna be a great--pretty soon, Republicans are gonna be like, "Reagan was nothing compared to this guy." Like, my kid's gonna go to a high school named after him, I just know it.

Soderberg: Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's hope for the rest of us.

Stewart: [crossing fingers] Iran and North Korea, that's true, that is true [audience laughter]. No, it's--it is--I absolutely agree with you, this is--this is the most difficult thing for me to--because, I think, I don't care for the tactics, I don't care for this, the weird arrogance, the setting up. But I gotta say, I haven't seen results like this ever in that region.

Soderberg: Well wait. It hasn't actually gotten very far. I mean, we've had--

Stewart: Oh, I'm shallow! I'm very shallow!

Soderberg: There's always hope that this might not work. No, but I think, um, it's--you know, you have changes going on in Egypt; Saudi Arabia finally had a few votes, although women couldn't participate. What's going on here in--you know, Syria's been living in the 1960s since the 1960s--it's, part of this is--

Stewart: You mean free love and that kind of stuff? [audience laughter] Like, free love, drugs?

Soderberg: If you're a terrorist, yeah.

Stewart: They are Baathists, are they--it looks like, I gotta say, it's almost like we're not going to have to invade Iran and Syria. They're gonna invade themselves at a certain point, no? Or is that completely naive?

Soderberg: I think it's moving in the right direction. I'll have to give them credit for that. We'll see.

Stewart: Really? Hummus for everybody, for God's sakes.

Baby Lee · 03-02-2005, 11:49 AM

And for those who are thinking, "so what? Just some wing-nut who can be ignored."

http://www.harrywalker.com/speakers_...2&SubcatID=181

Baby Lee · 03-02-2005, 11:52 AM

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Soderberg: It's scary for Democrats, I have to say.

Stewart: He's gonna be a great--pretty soon, Republicans are gonna be like, "Reagan was nothing compared to this guy." Like, my kid's gonna go to a high school named after him, I just know it.

Soderberg: Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's hope for the rest of us.

Stewart: [crossing fingers] Iran and North Korea, that's true, that is true [audience laughter]. No, it's--it is--I absolutely agree with you, this is--this is the most difficult thing for me to--because, I think, I don't care for the tactics, I don't care for this, the weird arrogance, the setting up. But I gotta say, I haven't seen results like this ever in that region.

Soderberg: Well wait. It hasn't actually gotten very far. I mean, we've had--

Stewart: Oh, I'm shallow! I'm very shallow!

Soderberg: There's always hope that this might not work.

Aye! There's the meat.

Ultra Peanut · 03-02-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock Landers

Wet water.

Clint in Wichita · 03-02-2005, 12:22 PM

This is shocking! A Democrat or a Republican not wanting anything good to happpen for the other party? Unbelievable!

Sarcasm aside, I don't see what the hag is worried about. What's going on in Iraq is far from being "good" for the Republican party.

Baby Lee · 03-02-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

This is shocking! A Democrat or a Republican not wanting anything good to happpen for the other party? Unbelievable!

Sarcasm aside, I don't see what the hag is worried about. What's going on in Iraq is far from being "good" for the Republican party.

I think the rise of democracy in this area goes significantly beyond "something good for the other party."
Regardless of party, it takes a special level of asshattery to hope for the failure of freedom and democracy worldwide in the interest of your particular national political party.

SBK · 03-02-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

This is shocking! A Democrat or a Republican not wanting anything good to happpen for the other party? Unbelievable!

Sarcasm aside, I don't see what the hag is worried about. What's going on in Iraq is far from being "good" for the Republican party.

Who cares which party its good for, or bad for, how bout what's good for AMERICA?

KCWolfman · 03-02-2005, 05:43 PM

Duhnise was on the Daily Show and I missed it?

|Zach| · 03-02-2005, 05:51 PM

I watched it ronight and echo BL's feelings.

KCWolfman · 03-02-2005, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

This is shocking! A Democrat or a Republican not wanting anything good to happpen for the other party? Unbelievable!

Sarcasm aside, I don't see what the hag is worried about. What's going on in Iraq is far from being "good" for the Republican party.

You mean you see nothing ironic about a woman wanting entire nations to collapse merely so her party can take power and take care of other nations?

Taco John · 03-02-2005, 10:41 PM

No one bolded this:

Soderberg: I think it's moving in the right direction. I'll have to give them credit for that. We'll see.

She said a lot of stupid things, to be sure. But when she caps it off with that, it just shows it's typical partisain politics rearing its head. No different than Ann Coulter's meltdown the other night where she didn't have the right talking points prepared and couldn't answer a simple question.

**jAZ** · 03-02-2005, 10:55 PM

Without having seen this interview, I'd say (based on the Opinion Journal injected "[laughther]" that her comments were partly TIC.

I hope for the best in the Middle East... I'm excited about the potential for the elections to create stabilty there, but that doesn't mean that I support Bush trying to kick the history of deliberate lies and distortions under the political rug if somehow Iraq calms down.

A person can have mixed emotions... supporting Republican policy outcomes while objecting to Republican politcalization of those outcomes.

Republicans are no different, and the first one of you who tries to say they don't feel mixed emotions when something good happens under the watch of the other political party gets the "George W. Bush Golden Sticker for The Best Lie of the Day"!

03-02-2005, 09:52 AM
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03-02-2005, 11:49 AM	#4
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $90446	http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006362 Stewart: This book--it talks about the superpower myth of the United States. There is this idea, the United States is the sole superpower, and I guess the premise of the book is we cannot misuse that power--have to use it wisely, and not just punitively. Is that-- Soderberg: That's right. What I argue is that the Bush administration fell hostage to the superpower myth, believing that because we're the most powerful nation on earth, we were all-powerful, could bend the world to our will and not have to worry about the rest of the world. I think what they're finding in the second term is, it's a little bit harder than that, and reality has an annoying way of intruding. Stewart: But what do you make of--here's my dilemma, if you will. I don't care for the way these guys conduct themselves--and this is just you and I talking, no cameras here [audience laughter]. But boy, when you see the Lebanese take to the streets and all that, and you go, "Oh my God, this is working," and I begin to wonder, is it--is the way that they handled it really--it's sort of like, "Uh, OK, my daddy hits me, but look how tough I'm getting." You know what I mean? Like, you don't like the method, but maybe--wrong analogy, is that, uh--? Soderberg: Well, I think, you know, as a Democrat, you don't want anything nice to happen to the Republicans, and you don't want them to have progress. But as an American, you hope good things would happen. I think the way to look at it is, they can't credit for every good thing that happens, but they need to be able to manage it. I think what's happening in Lebanon is great, but it's not necessarily directly related to the fact that we went into Iraq militarily. Stewart: Do you think that the people of Lebanon would have had, sort of, the courage of their conviction, having not seen--not only the invasion but the election which followed? It's almost as though that the Iraqi election has emboldened this crazy--something's going on over there. I'm smelling something. Soderberg: I think partly what's going on is the country next door, Syria, has been controlling them for decades, and they [the Syrians] were dumb enough to blow up the former prime minister of Lebanon in Beirut, and they're--people are sort of sick of that, and saying, "Wait a minute, that's a stretch too far." So part of what's going on is they're just protesting that. But I think there is a wave of change going on, and if we can help ride it though the second term of the Bush administration, more power to them. Stewart: Do you think they're the guys to--do they understand what they've unleashed? Because at a certain point, I almost feel like, if they had just come out at the very beginning and said, "Here's my plan: I'm going to invade Iraq. We'll get rid of a bad guy because that will drain the swamp"--if they hadn't done the whole "nuclear cloud," you know, if they hadn't scared the pants off of everybody, and just said straight up, honestly, what was going on, I think I'd almost--I'd have no cognitive dissonance, no mixed feelings. Soderberg: The truth always helps in these things, I have to say. But I think that there is also going on in the Middle East peace process--they may well have a chance to do a historic deal with the Palestinians and the Israelis. These guys could really pull off a whole-- Stewart: This could be unbelievable! Soderberg:---series of Nobel Peace Prizes here, which--it may well work. I think that, um, it's-- Stewart: [buries head in hands] Oh my God! [audience laughter] He's got, you know, here's-- Soderberg: It's scary for Democrats, I have to say. Stewart: He's gonna be a great--pretty soon, Republicans are gonna be like, "Reagan was nothing compared to this guy." Like, my kid's gonna go to a high school named after him, I just know it. Soderberg: Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's hope for the rest of us. Stewart: [crossing fingers] Iran and North Korea, that's true, that is true [audience laughter]. No, it's--it is--I absolutely agree with you, this is--this is the most difficult thing for me to--because, I think, I don't care for the tactics, I don't care for this, the weird arrogance, the setting up. But I gotta say, I haven't seen results like this ever in that region. Soderberg: Well wait. It hasn't actually gotten very far. I mean, we've had-- Stewart: Oh, I'm shallow! I'm very shallow! Soderberg: There's always hope that this might not work. No, but I think, um, it's--you know, you have changes going on in Egypt; Saudi Arabia finally had a few votes, although women couldn't participate. What's going on here in--you know, Syria's been living in the 1960s since the 1960s--it's, part of this is-- Stewart: You mean free love and that kind of stuff? [audience laughter] Like, free love, drugs? Soderberg: If you're a terrorist, yeah. Stewart: They are Baathists, are they--it looks like, I gotta say, it's almost like we're not going to have to invade Iran and Syria. They're gonna invade themselves at a certain point, no? Or is that completely naive? Soderberg: I think it's moving in the right direction. I'll have to give them credit for that. We'll see. Stewart: Really? Hummus for everybody, for God's sakes. __________________ If you make enough good decisions, three-year plans turn into two-year plans and five-year plans turn into three-year plans. If you make bad decisions, 10-year plans turn into no plan. -- Dayton Moore, 2006
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03-02-2005, 12:22 PM	#8
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $250	This is shocking! A Democrat or a Republican not wanting anything good to happpen for the other party? Unbelievable! Sarcasm aside, I don't see what the hag is worried about. What's going on in Iraq is far from being "good" for the Republican party.
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03-02-2005, 10:41 PM	#14
Taco John 12on Paul Join Date: Jun 2001 Casino cash: $10085242	No one bolded this: Soderberg: I think it's moving in the right direction. I'll have to give them credit for that. We'll see. She said a lot of stupid things, to be sure. But when she caps it off with that, it just shows it's typical partisain politics rearing its head. No different than Ann Coulter's meltdown the other night where she didn't have the right talking points prepared and couldn't answer a simple question. __________________ Ehyeh asher ehyeh.
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03-02-2005, 10:55 PM	#15
jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $43733	Without having seen this interview, I'd say (based on the Opinion Journal injected "[laughther]" that her comments were partly TIC. I hope for the best in the Middle East... I'm excited about the potential for the elections to create stabilty there, but that doesn't mean that I support Bush trying to kick the history of deliberate lies and distortions under the political rug if somehow Iraq calms down. A person can have mixed emotions... supporting Republican policy outcomes while objecting to Republican politcalization of those outcomes. Republicans are no different, and the first one of you who tries to say they don't feel mixed emotions when something good happens under the watch of the other political party gets the "George W. Bush Golden Sticker for The Best Lie of the Day"!
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